Lightning Lane Premier Pass

Purduevian

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Right.....you made my point........theres no value in it

value is cost/benefit analysis ....when it costs a lot and theres little benefit vs alternative theres no value
I know someone that occasionally and, on a whim, will open a $450 bottle of wine when we are over. There is a lot of cost and little benefit to that over the next $50 bottle of wine. However, this person doesn't care too much about $400 extra for a better glass or two of wine.

I'm pretty sure this person is the kind of person Disney is after.
 

JIMMYEDDIE

Active Member
I know someone that occasionally and, on a whim, will open a $450 bottle of wine when we are over. There is a lot of cost and little benefit to that over the next $50 bottle of wine. However, this person doesn't care too much about $400 extra for a better glass or two of wine.

I'm pretty sure this person is the kind of person Disney is after.
I want to hang with them!

ANd i would argue theres GREAT benefit to a $450 bottle of wine
 

Purduevian

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I want to hang with them!

ANd i would argue theres GREAT benefit to a $450 bottle of wine
Yes, when I am at their house and they offer me wine, I never decline. It beats the $14 a bottle that is my regular.

This may be my novice tastes, but the $14 bottle gives me ~65% the same experience as the $450 bottle. So, I think the $50 LLMP/LLSP combo that gives me 75% the same experience as the $450 LLPP seems comparable to me. The $450 bottle is something I would never buy myself.
 

JD80

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Well as of around 1PM Eastern the longest wait at WDW is 65 minutes for Alien Swirling Saucers.

Space Mountain 10
Thunder Mountain 10
ROTR 30
7DMT 50
FOP 35
RAT 35
Tron 50
SDD 60
TOT 25
RNRC 30
SMUG 25

Pro Tip for saving money on your Disney Trip: DO NOT BUY THE PP or MPLL or SPLL.

You just spent all your money on an AP you can't afford any of the LL products.
 

JD80

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Right.....you made my point........theres no value in it

value is cost/benefit analysis ....when it costs a lot and theres little benefit vs alternative theres no value

I'm not sure you understand. The inherent value of the LLPP is additional time and less stress.

For some people the extra effort to work the LLMP system and it's touring style negligible. So the LLPP holds really no value to them.

For some people not having to book rides, refresh times, allow LLMP to dictate where you go next and allow their party to do whatever they want, whenever they want is highly valuable. That experience is the value. Saying little to no value is ignorant.

In fact the main selling point to the additional cost of holiday parties and other ticketed events is easier access to lines. This is related to that.
 

JIMMYEDDIE

Active Member
I'm not sure you understand. The inherent value of the LLPP is additional time and less stress.

For some people the extra effort to work the LLMP system and it's touring style negligible. So the LLPP holds really no value to them.

For some people not having to book rides, refresh times, allow LLMP to dictate where you go next and allow their party to do whatever they want, whenever they want is highly valuable. That experience is the value. Saying little to no value is ignorant.

In fact the main selling point to the additional cost of holiday parties and other ticketed events is easier access to lines. This is related to that.
im half kidding/tongue in cheek

i might be able to understand if it were double, just not 5x-10x and the only benefit is a little time

If i run a parallel test with my bother and his family of 5 vs my family of 5 and he did LLPP and i did LLMP/LLSP, sure i would spend time on my phone but we would both get the same rides…His cost would prob be about $2,300 and mine would be about $250…for the additional $2k+, i’ll do the phone time

If people really pay for that just to stay off their phone, maybe I might start a service and just charge people $1,250 and book at their rides for them using LLMP/LLSP, saving them over $1k and they wont have to go on their phone
 

JD80

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im half kidding/tongue in cheek

i might be able to understand if it were double, just not 5x-10x and the only benefit is a little time

If i run a parallel test with my bother and his family of 5 vs my family of 5 and he did LLPP and i did LLMP/LLSP, sure i would spend time on my phone but we would both get the same rides…His cost would prob be about $2,300 and mine would be about $250…for the additional $2k+, i’ll do the phone time

If people really pay for that just to stay off their phone, maybe I might start a service and just charge people $1,250 and book at their rides for them using LLMP/LLSP, saving them over $1k and they wont have to go on their phone

There are services that do/did that.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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Right.....you made my point........theres no value in it

value is cost/benefit analysis ....when it costs a lot and theres little benefit vs alternative theres no value
God your either obtuse or completely self absorbed.

Your personal opinion on value means jack. Its like your trying to argue that Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, Bentley, are all crazy products that will fail and anyone buying them has no common sense. They are extremely overpriced compared to other cars right? They get you to the same place, have to obey the same traffic laws. Hell you can only fit 2 people in a Lambo, as opposed to 4-5 in a Camry.

I am not a car guy. I have an Expedition and am perfectly happy with it. I have driven in friends/neighbors cars of the like mentioned above. Even though I could afford them, I am not going to. They just don't interest me. That doesn't mean I can't recognize that there is objectively a thriving market for them. Nor am i so self deluded that just because they don't have a value to me, that others don't see value in them.
 

Disstevefan1

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lewisc

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God your either obtuse or completely self absorbed.

Your personal opinion on value means jack. Its like your trying to argue that Lamborghi
Maybe you're being trolled.

People driving Lamborghini's know pulling over for the police is optional.

Years ago posters were discussing hotel laundry charges. One poster said coming home with a suitcase of clean clothing is worth a few hundred dollars. People have different priorities and budgets.
 

Jrb1979

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im half kidding/tongue in cheek

i might be able to understand if it were double, just not 5x-10x and the only benefit is a little time

If i run a parallel test with my bother and his family of 5 vs my family of 5 and he did LLPP and i did LLMP/LLSP, sure i would spend time on my phone but we would both get the same rides…His cost would prob be about $2,300 and mine would be about $250…for the additional $2k+, i’ll do the phone time

If people really pay for that just to stay off their phone, maybe I might start a service and just charge people $1,250 and book at their rides for them using LLMP/LLSP, saving them over $1k and they wont have to go on their phone
First the reason they have to charge so much is to limit the amount of guests buying it. If it was only double the price, majority of guests would buy it, this making the LL queues overwhelmed.

As far as people buying it, my family would fit it into our budget. It has nothing to do with being on our phones. It's the whole return time nonsense we can't stand. Being able to do attractions on our schedule is the benefit of th extra cost.
 

Splash4eva

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Right.....you made my point........theres no value in it

value is cost/benefit analysis ....when it costs a lot and theres little benefit vs alternative theres no value
Again take this with a grain of salt and from a “small” sample size but i work on Wall St with people who have money and visit Disney not religiously but enough to get an idea of who Disney is gearing this to and i asked all that have gone and have upcoming trips planned and when i told then of this “new option” they all simply said yes ill be buying that to avoid any wait times. Some of these people have used the “guides” in the past & others simply dont care about spending an extra say 4-5k on their trip because the money is irrelevant and i think these are the people Disney are gonna cater to with this product.
 

lewisc

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I'm sure @lentesta is already looking at this, but how much data is needed to see what (if any) impact the Lightning Lane Premier Pass has on Lightning Lane lines or availability?
Disney won't release numbers..Len's people will see Mickey turn green. Anecdotally LLPP guests won't be hanging around watching the clock. They'll only get a green light.
 

C33Mom

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Disney won't release numbers..Len's people will see Mickey turn green. Anecdotally LLPP guests won't be hanging around watching the clock. They'll only get a green light.
I don’t think they were talking about getting hard numbers from Disney or the color of taps… I think it would be measuring whether LLMP itself sells out faster or whether the last return times of the day are distributed noticeably sooner. I have never paid attention to the sell out under the new system, but thrill data will tell you what time the LLs are gone and it’s straightforward to measure trends.
 

lewisc

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I don’t think they were talking about getting hard numbers from Disney or the color of taps… I think it would be measuring whether LLMP itself sells out faster or whether the last return times of the day are distributed noticeably sooner. I have never paid attention to the sell out under the new system, but thrill data will tell you what time the LLs are gone and it’s straightforward to measure trends.
For years many guests didn't known about FP or thought you had to pay. Selling out faster could be the impact of LLPP. It could also reflect increasing popularity of LLMP. Better communication. Some former DAS people may have real issues with lines but no longer qualify for DAS.

A refuction in the number of guests watching the clock, while hanging out at the LL entrance, is one way. Not a great way.
 
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JD80

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I'm sure @lentesta is already looking at this, but how much data is needed to see what (if any) impact the Lightning Lane Premier Pass has on Lightning Lane lines or availability?

I'm sure it'll be reported when LLPP sells out since the API should show that.

Then you can cross reference the sell out dates with LL availability charts on thrill -data.

Then compare that date with a random similar data pre LLPP.
 

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