MickeyLuv'r
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We are all members of this forum, which is to say, we've all wasted timed quite a bit of time here.
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Lightning Lane Premier Pass
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For any ride that has a continuous 1+ hour long wait the whole day... I'm all for making it VQ.
I'm also for VQ becoming a random selection pulled from all those who apply for the VQ in a given time frame rather than first-on-the-button.
I'm also for VQ becoming a random selection pulled from all those who apply for the VQ in a given time frame rather than first-on-the-button.
Jrb1979
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Get rid of the VQ all together. If you want to ride the new attraction so bad suck it up and wait or buy the premier pass.
Nope. That does it. I'm making all rides VQ. So, suck it up!!!!!
Disstevefan1
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Thank you counselor as always for your thoughtful comments.
Thanks for the correction, yes there only remains to VQ’s but when it’s the two attraction you really want to ride and would be willing to wait in a queue for, that is absurd!
I also agree, I am a terrible troller, but thanks for your reply.
Jrb1979
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They already are technically with LLMP as most rides have return times. I still maintain that if I want wait in standby to ride something I should be able to.
bmr1591
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In all fairness, that’s a rather sizable portion of guests.
What I don’t like about the removal of ME is that the cost of it was baked into your hotel room, whether you utilized it or not. But when they removed it, they didn’t reduce room costs accordingly. They took their cake and ate it too. But room pricing is a whole other WDW issue.
JMcMahonEsq
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I can't speak to your age, or I-4 specifically, but express lanes have been part of toll roads for decades.I'm well aware of the above and that was my point! (though perhaps it was a little unclear with the way I posted).
(Also, I must be a bit older than you, because I lived through decades of toll highways before Express toll lanes were added, especially FL's I-4, which I listed as having Express Lanes.)
It was not me who followed my post by saying premium health care and bathrooms could not be added.
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The ones in Va started up about 30 years ago. The ones in Ohio about the same time. I don't know when they got around to putting them in in Florida although i know Diane Gutierrez-Scaccetti was looking at them even before she took over FTE back 2011.
My main point was that pricing models that include a base price, and then added features for additional charges has been a part of mainstream US business basically forever. WDW didn't invent it, and its not something that WDW is driving into other sectors. Its something that has been around forever and is not going away.
MickeyLuv'r
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A good reminder!
My visits to WDW have varied widely between what might be characterized as splurge-style, all the way down to visits where I tried to keep the budget about as low as possible (within reason).
Sometimes efforts to save money cost more time than they are worth, and paying a little more up front saves so much time that that the expense - we might say - pays for itself.
JMcMahonEsq
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Well if you want to set the rules, all you have to do is open up your own busienss, make it so popular as to become one of the most visited tourist destinations in the world, and then you get to decide how line structures are going to be set up. Until then you live with the rules that the owners make.
But leaving that aside...besides the two and only those two VQ rides...you ARE able to wait in standby to ride something if you so want to. All the rides that have line skip lines also have a stand bye line. If you want to wait in it, you are free to make that choice. The great thing about LLMP and return times is that while you are free to wait in all the standby lines you want, I am free to decide NOT to wait around in those lines if i don't want to. You get to do the park your way, and I get to do it mine.
Disstevefan1
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Its the luck of the draw my friend.
Jrb1979
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I'm not free to wait in standby for the two VQ rides as it's not an option. My hope is LLMP is eventually gone and the only option is standby or the Premier Pass
JMcMahonEsq
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Wait, Disney is supposed to make decisions based on the absurd small sample size of people that 1) only want to ride the 2 rides that happen to be VQ and 2) don't understand or are unable to use the simple MDE app to secure a FREE slot on the virtual que AND 3) failing 2, are so wanting to ride these two rides BUT aren't willing to pay for the line skip option to ride them?
Talk about straw men type arguments. But even if this hypothetical person(s) did exist....they really don't matter in terms of park planning, operations, and line management. They are too small a percentage of the overall visitors to the park on daily basis to bear any thought for planning purposes.
Virtual ques are becoming the norm not the exception for services/events that have both a high desirability and a limited number of available spots. There's a reason you don't have people camping outside for Taylor Swift tickets or registration for highly sought after college classes anymore. Technology has advanced to the point where that waste of time isn't required anymore.
And again, this is only 2 rides out of every ride in the park.
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JMcMahonEsq
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wait your post said:
They already are technically with LLMP as most rides have return times. I still maintain that if I want wait in standby to ride something I should be able to.
That has nothing to do with VQ's. LLMP and VQ are completely separate. LLMP are for almost all the rides at the parks, and for every one of those rides (Save the 2 VQ) you are free to wait in a standby line. So basically out of all the rides and experience and shows in all of Orlando, your complaining about 2 of them.
But for the only 2 VQ rides, no you can't stand in line, because there is no standby line. It doesn't exist. Its like saying that you shouldn't need to get reservations to go to a restaurant, that it should all be first come first serve basis. That can be your personal opinion, I don't think its the best way to run a business but again, personal opinions can vary. However WDW, who's business it is gets to make that call.
Chi84
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Oh for heavens sake! This is what you said.I'm well aware of the above and that was my point! (though perhaps it was a little unclear with the way I posted).
(Also, I must be a bit older than you, because I lived through decades of toll highways before Express toll lanes were added, especially FL's I-4, which I listed as having Express Lanes.)
It was not me who followed my post by saying premium health care and bathrooms could not be added.
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Disstevefan1
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I apologize. I was not trying to dictate value to anyone.
I should have been clearer.
In my opinion, my perceived value of WDW has declined since I began to visit in the mid 80s
Minnesota disney fan
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Good Grief!!! We ALL have opinions and they are always our personal opinions! Everyone on here states their opinions all the time. It's a discussion board. Let's not nit pick!
It gets tiresome from certain posters on every post!
JMcMahonEsq
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No that's not what you were trying to do. Here is how you ended your post:
Can we disassociate the word “value” and Disney going forward please.
You weren't stating a personal opinion. You weren't making some personal statement on what your perception was of the park four decades ago. You were making the statement that no one should use the word value and Disney going forward. Don't try to change what you were saying, silly as it was.
Chi84
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There seems to be a lot of that going around.
Disstevefan1
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Well done counselor! You got me!
OK. I will publicly apologize to all.
Folks should be free to associate Disney with value or not if they choose.
Its very clear Bob, Josh and Hugh thinks that WDW still delivers value for what folks pay.
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