Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

Patcheslee

Patcheslee

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wdwmagic said:
I don't want to put the date out there yet as its still fluid as far as I know, but they should definitely be prepared.
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Why does this pop in my head reading those words? 😁 53ab356d6bb3f7550691ee2d.jpeg
 
drew81

drew81

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ParentsOf4 said:
Disney already has a way to control crowds. It's called Park Pass.

If Disney really wanted to control crowds in order to "maintain a good guest experience", they could set Park Pass to whatever levels they want. Instead, they increased the number of Park Passes even as COVID surged in Florida.

Let's see what's really going on here.
  • Disney ended the free FastPass+ and replaced it with a cash system that could cost Guests $50 or more per person per day.
  • Disney ended Extra Magic Hours, and is limiting its replacement to Deluxe Resort Guests only, and only (it appears) for the 2 slowest nights of the week in an effort to boost Deluxe Resort occupancy.
  • Disney is ending Disney's Magical Express to reduce its costs. (Seriously, how does this remotely "maintain a good guest experience?")
  • Disney charges for hotel parking, when it used to be included in the price of the hotel. (This improves Guest experience how?)
  • Disney raised hotel rack rates by about a total of 30% over the last few years.
  • Disney is offering no hotel discounts after September.
  • Disney now charges for MagicBands, something that used to be included in the price of an onsite stay. (Yes, Guests love paying for something they used to get for free.)
  • Disney has closed numerous shows and meet & greets, and is only slowly bringing these back, yet is still charging full price for tickets.
  • Disney increased annual pass prices by 25% for the very reason CEO Bob Chapek explicitly stated earlier this year:
Things like annual pass. There's probably no better example here than annual pass, where it's a legacy system, and people keep signing up year after year after year, which may or may not play into your yield management strategy in an ideal way. So we had a chance to thoughtfully and thoroughly reconsider that.​

Disney doesn't give a hoot about "controlling crowds" or a "good guest experience."

The only thing corporate Disney cares about is money.
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Preach, @ParentsOf4!! 🙏
Many of those offerings are never returning!
 
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James Alucobond

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GhostHost1000 said:
Disney is becoming Six Flags. Look at this presentation and attention to detail

pay more and we get less - the new Di$ney

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Don't their first passes on things like this usually look like that until they can spend more time on each one and/or have time to fabricate all the requisite awnings, signs, and billboards? Same thing happened with the removal of the Sorcerers of the Magic Kingdom stuff, where they did quick patching that they revisited in the coming weeks using proper materials.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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GhostHost1000 said:
Disney is becoming Six Flags. Look at this presentation and attention to detail

pay more and we get less - the new Di$ney all in one photo

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If these signs are still this way a year from now - ok. If not, just accept the world can't pivot overnight and change looks very different under the daily scrutiny that the parks get now.
 
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James Alucobond

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GhostHost1000 said:
They aren’t pivoting overnight tho. This has been in the works for years and this isn’t going live next week.
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Yes, but many of these require filing permits for new sign installation and assigning resources to do the installation. To ensure all signs are consistent as quickly as possible, they do this first and then deploy teams to go to them individually and give each instance the attention it deserves. As others said, if this persists for too long, it's worthy of a complaint. Reinstalling a ton of unique signage overnight isn't realistic. Covering existing signage in vinyl is.
 
GhostHost1000

GhostHost1000

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James Alucobond said:
Yes, but many of these require filing permits for new sign installation and assigning resources to do the installation. To ensure all signs are consistent as quickly as possible, they do this first and then deploy teams to go to them individually and give each instance the attention it deserves. As others said, if this persists for too long, it's worthy of a complaint. Reinstalling a ton of unique signage overnight isn't realistic. Covering existing signage in vinyl is.
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I get what you’re saying but this isnt changing the sign for a new hot dog at Casey’s, this is the new future of the parks with a lot of negative feedback already and stuff like this isn’t going to help. Just my opinion
 
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James Alucobond

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GhostHost1000 said:
I get what you’re saying but this isnt changing the sign for a new hot dog at Casey’s, this is the new future of the parks with a lot of negative feedback already and stuff like this isn’t going to help. Just my opinion
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I think that, in their estimation, having a mixture of some signage for FastPass+ and some for Lightning Lane is a worse look than having it all say Lightning Lane at once even if they have to do touch-ups later.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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ParentsOf4 said:
Disney already has a way to control crowds. It's called Park Pass.

If Disney really wanted to control crowds in order to "maintain a good guest experience", they could set Park Pass to whatever levels they want. Instead, they increased the number of Park Passes even as COVID surged in Florida.

Let's see what's really going on here.
  • Disney ended the free FastPass+ and replaced it with a cash system that could cost Guests $50 or more per person per day.
  • Disney ended Extra Magic Hours, and is limiting its replacement to Deluxe Resort Guests only, and only (it appears) for the 2 slowest nights of the week in an effort to boost Deluxe Resort occupancy.
  • Disney is ending Disney's Magical Express to reduce its costs. (Seriously, how does this remotely "maintain a good guest experience?")
  • Disney charges for hotel parking, when it used to be included in the price of the hotel. (This improves Guest experience how?)
  • Disney raised hotel rack rates by about a total of 30% over the last few years.
  • Disney is offering no hotel discounts after September.
  • Disney now charges for MagicBands, something that used to be included in the price of an onsite stay. (Yes, Guests love paying for something they used to get for free.)
  • Disney has closed numerous shows and meet & greets, and is only slowly bringing these back, yet is still charging full price for tickets.
  • Disney increased annual pass prices by 25% for the very reason CEO Bob Chapek explicitly stated earlier this year:
Things like annual pass. There's probably no better example here than annual pass, where it's a legacy system, and people keep signing up year after year after year, which may or may not play into your yield management strategy in an ideal way. So we had a chance to thoughtfully and thoroughly reconsider that.​

Disney doesn't give a hoot about "controlling crowds" or a "good guest experience."

The only thing corporate Disney cares about is money.
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Vote with your wallets.

There is an erroneous assumption by Disney that people's vacation budgets have increased dramatically. It won't take too long for people to realize how much value they're getting and make different choices. If I have $5K for a vacation, I'll get a cheaper hotel room, get a rental car and pay for front of the line access. Disney will be getting a small percentage of that $5K than they were previously getting. Mission accomplished.
 
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MrPromey

MrPromey

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SirWillow said:
Universal starts at $110 per day for one park. They are pretty close to Disney's price.

And Disney is so expensive for one simple reason- there's so much demand to go and the parks are so crowded. It's called the law of supply and demand- when there is a lot of demand prices go up. They also have the largest parks that can hold more people.

Disney's Genie+ is also far and away the cheapest of any "skip the line" program at any park, with even the cheapest Six Flags flash pass starting out at $45/ day/ person. I know they aren't the same thing, but when you consider the crowds, the demand, and the broken system this has been long overdue from Disney.

Like I said when it releases if they break it I'll be the first to slam it. But the biggest gripe I see right now is "it's not free" and I don't see why it should be when it isn't anywhere else.
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You mean the largest to stand around in? (remember, they took out the benches)

If so, Epcot and Animal Kingdom qualify but not Hollywood Studios.

MK is the only one with an appropriate number of attractions and somehow, that's still dwarfed by the Disneyland Park which has less land to work with.

Speaking of Disneyland (the resort), have you ever been? Do you realize that between those TWO parks, there are more attractions than at WDW's FOUR?

Yes, the park with the least to do over here got Star Wars Land and MMRR but guess what? DL park - the one with the most attractions of any Disney park and lower attendance than our MK, also got SWL and their MMRR is under construction right now - also in that same park.

Even by the bar Disney set themselves, they have not kept up here in the swamps (California Adventure is the newest US park, after all) and I'm sorry, paying for fp access to 20-50 year old rides and then paying even more for most of what was built within the last decade?*

Ridiculous.

As for Disney's payment system vs. everyone else's, your right - they aren't the same (not even remotely) so there is no point in bringing them up for comparison unless you're intentionally trying to confuse the conversation so why did you?


*not to metion, attractions like SM which are way, way older.
 
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