Pretzels-in-Germany
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Don't forget every vlogger is out there today and the novelty of a new system for regular park guests probably has the usage rate way higher today than Genie has been in months.
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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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JD80
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Interesting point, but I don't think they are a large enough population to have an impact on 20-30k guests. I may be wrong.
ConfettiCupcake
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I’d 100% take a ride when you want over a scheduled times system at Disney, but since that’s not likely to come to Disney for a price less than a VIP guide I personally prefer the pre-booked schedule of times of your own choosing over the next available time assigned like Genie did. With Genie, if you could predictably modify your time out to something useful for you without keeping a sharp eye on it, it probably didn’t really need a LL anyways.
To me the spreadsheet style touring is the lesser of two evils.
DCLcruiser
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Agreed, but this has been a problem since 1999, and at least now you don't have to run around to get another FP.
DCLcruiser
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You would hate my European vacation spreadsheets, down to 15 minute intervals. But...we see everything, in an efficient order, taking into consideration open/close times, proximity, importance (to us), etc. This makes the trip more relaxing as I spent months planning it, instead of running around a foreign city trying to figure things out.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
Yes, GSAT was low with FP+ (worse now b $ and less inventory)
Pricing, modifying, park hopping and plenty more
nickys
Premium Member
There can’t have been complaints about FP+ pricing.
TheMaxRebo
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Definitely something "off" for me but I love spreadsheet planning. And not just for Disney - any event, trip, whatever - get to break out a new spreadsheet makes me happy
DCLcruiser
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No, it would have just been the ticket prices in general. No one is ever happy.
TheMaxRebo
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I wouldn't mind that but there is a portion of the guest population that absolutely wants a "skip the line" ability and won't wait on lines
Anecdotally but I have friends who back with FP+ would just have those (which they would book what they could get the night before) and use those and not ride anything else unless it was a virtual walk on. They just wouldn't wait in any line and we're totally fine not getting on things
Obviously revenue is a reason but basically every theme park has some form is skip the line as at least a portion of the guests want it and are willing to pay for it
mysto
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I'm curious how this math looks to a local with an AP? I've been thinking about it and it's pretty hard to even frame the question as that group has so many different motivations and use patterns.
I think for some, once the pass is paid for, using it in 2019 was free. Now $60 per day in your example. That's an infinite percentage increase.
Purduevian
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I had no idea GSAT was low. If we are ignoring price, to me personally it seems like FP+>G+>LLMP>Legacy FP>Standby only. Although we will see how LLMP works once I actually use it.
Found the 9 changes to G+ article.
1. When you can buy
2. Park hopping rules
3. A notification of the 120 min rule (no actual change to the rule just a graphic)
4. Changes in prices
5. Modification enabled
6. Free photopass on rides addition
7. Park specific pricing
8. Sell out rules
9. I guess they are counting rides being added/eliminated?
With the exception of park hopping rules and being able to modify. Nothing actually changed with G+ once you bought it.
Disney Genie+ Has Changed 9 Times — But We're Still Waiting on ONE Big Update | the disney food blog
Genie+ has changed a LOT but there's one change we're still waiting on!
www.disneyfoodblog.com
networkpro
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
I think that they actually know what they are doing and people are complaining now that they cant obligate Disney to dedicate more of the planned hourly capacity to Lightning Lane Multi-pass which would recreate the DAS overuse issue all over again for participating attractions.
JD80
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You should make a blog or podcast about it or something.
Chip Chipperson
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If Guest Satisfaction scores for FP+ were low, just imagine how low they were for G+ to make WDW go back to something so similar to FP+.
JIMMYEDDIE
Active Member
The only better part of this is eliminating the 7am wake up. Everything else is worse than genie+. That was the biggest complaint
Wendy Pleakley
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I never found it to be overwhelming or restrictive.
Since dining is generally booked in advance as well, I always knew which park I'd be in each day. Booking Fastpasses for the day wasn't an issue.
It's not like I was forced into a rigid schedule for the most part. You can always move or skip a booking if need be. Having to be at a certain attraction between 1 and 2, or whatever, didn't feel like being tied to some sort of tight schedule.
The only exception was I could only get a late return time for Slinky Dog due to timing, and I felt tied to the Studios park well past the time I was done.
Vacationeer
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- In the Parks
- No
I remember having issues with FP+ and dining. There wasn’t really a set protocol.
After G+ came out, CMs began advising to make ADR priority and bring receipt to get an allowance on LL window.
It’s also advisable to screenshot the LL window, just in case it evaporates lol. Take that and the ADR receipt to the LL CM and they‘ll give grace to expired time slot (as long as it is reasonable, not hours later).
Dranth
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G+ had the additional burden of being the first paid system and you combine that with a lot of people having some serious rose-colored glasses about FP+ and here we are.
I am willing to bet that now, with us having essentially a paid FP+, it will get even worse GS scores than before and worse than G+. It will take a bit for people to realize that are now paying the same amount to have an even more rigid experience with less available options and a worse system for anyone who doesn't rope drop (which are the majority of guests).
The one advantage is not having to get up assuming you don't want to try for a VQ.
ConfettiCupcake
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I wonder if we’re all overestimating how much use the average guest actually makes of these systems. Maybe the 3 pre-booked, no matter their quality, at times of people’s choosing is a better experience for the general guest population than Genie+ was. They might have data showing that the 3 is enough to satisfy the average guest, and they are also happier not having to strategize as much on the fly. I always come back to the 2-3 attraction disclaimer with Genie+, despite most users online understanding it was easy enough to get more than that.
I’m thinking all that combined with losing the 7 am booking on the vacation has Disney banking on this as an improvement in terms of GS.