I think this may blow up in their face, rather spectacularly. Genie has been $40 before right? Family of 4 $120 a day people may cringe and press the button, but now you buy your 5 days all at once? That’s $600, that’s going to make a lot more eyes pop (human psychology and why everyone is moving to nickel and diming/subscription models) they may see less people booking this. I’m most interested to see the availability, if you can get 7-10 hits out of this I may start buying it. We’ll see how popular it is, the less people who buy, the more hits you get. Allowing rerides and/or ending ILLs would have made it much more palatable.
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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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hopemax
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These people will simply learn when the drop times are, and get a helper to refresh, refresh, refresh. They will be fine.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
All the more reason to buy party tickets and after hours and avoid this nonsense altogether.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Reality check folks... Disney didn't just double or triple their attraction capacity.
So when they just offered up 3 LL reservation spots to people a week in advance.. and still expect people to make day of reservations. That means only one thing... they are going to STUFF the LL to the gils with people.
Remember - When EVERYONE is special - NO ONE is special.
This is just like the TSA precheck lines now... they can be longer than normal security!
Disney doesn't want to face customers upset that there are no reservations available to book - so they are incentivized to open up as much capacity as they can. RIP Standby waits... it was nice knowing you!
Obviously with this timing.. clearing out the fake-DAS load was essential to making this change viable. All those people wanting standby waits to drop? LOL - they are just gonna stuff the LLs with a different type of reservation now.
And Disney doesn't want to make a $1mil off 5,000 people... they want to make $5mil off 50,000 people. They want the highest attach rate they can get... so price it within reach, and sTUFF the LL to keep those reservation counts up.
Disney might as well get rid of standby lines before too long.. they just want you bouncing around from one reservation to another.
This change has made me more upset with the Parks leadership than any other in recent memory. FP+ was horrible.. and this is that with more baggage thrown in. Visiting Disney parks is never going to be like it was in the past.. instead you're going to have everyone trying to zip from reservation to reservation.. and upset that they get there and the lines are still long.
When you thought it never could get worse than ILL as a name - they come up with this monstrocity. I just can't even fathom what group of people are dreaming up these horrible systems. They must be people that just think they know customers but aren't real ones themselves. If I saw this come across my desk... I'd be firing the whole lot.
They would have been better off to just jack ticket prices up $40 and be done with it...
So when they just offered up 3 LL reservation spots to people a week in advance.. and still expect people to make day of reservations. That means only one thing... they are going to STUFF the LL to the gils with people.
Remember - When EVERYONE is special - NO ONE is special.
This is just like the TSA precheck lines now... they can be longer than normal security!
Disney doesn't want to face customers upset that there are no reservations available to book - so they are incentivized to open up as much capacity as they can. RIP Standby waits... it was nice knowing you!
Obviously with this timing.. clearing out the fake-DAS load was essential to making this change viable. All those people wanting standby waits to drop? LOL - they are just gonna stuff the LLs with a different type of reservation now.
And Disney doesn't want to make a $1mil off 5,000 people... they want to make $5mil off 50,000 people. They want the highest attach rate they can get... so price it within reach, and sTUFF the LL to keep those reservation counts up.
Disney might as well get rid of standby lines before too long.. they just want you bouncing around from one reservation to another.
This change has made me more upset with the Parks leadership than any other in recent memory. FP+ was horrible.. and this is that with more baggage thrown in. Visiting Disney parks is never going to be like it was in the past.. instead you're going to have everyone trying to zip from reservation to reservation.. and upset that they get there and the lines are still long.
When you thought it never could get worse than ILL as a name - they come up with this monstrocity. I just can't even fathom what group of people are dreaming up these horrible systems. They must be people that just think they know customers but aren't real ones themselves. If I saw this come across my desk... I'd be firing the whole lot.
They would have been better off to just jack ticket prices up $40 and be done with it...
meggo819
Well-Known Member
Is there not an option to only buy for some days? I’d maybe pay for MK and DHS, but not the other parks.
hopemax
Well-Known Member
Based on what has already been happening since Genie+ debuted, I think the $600 won't be as big of an issue as it seems. It will be like transportation, lodging, base tickets is "just part of the cost of the trip." But people don't suddenly have $600 more in their vacation budget. So value rooms over mods / deluxe, fewer table service meals and character dining, fewer souvenirs. We were just at Disney Springs today... they have removed so many fixtures from the various stores that used to be full of different types of merchandise. The Co-op in particular is a shell of what that store set out to be. I can only assume people aren't buying stuff outside of a few types of items (T-shirts, coffee mugs, plush).
aladdin2007
Well-Known Member
Perfectly stated. They hired too many geeks to come up with this junk and it all falls and will fall on D'Amaro. Its time to point the fingers and all of these people need to go. Im fed up with it too.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
Can't wait for the rules to change again in 6-12 months.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started offering this “free” to anyone who books a full price package through Disney that includes park tickets and a hotel room similar to how they used the free dining plan. Then the high price actually makes the “free“ offering seem more valuable….similar to DDP.
What I’d like to see is a package deal developed that includes Genie+ with a multi day park ticket. Maybe make the per day price on the lower end but you have to buy for all of the days of a multi day ticket and maybe throw in an individual lightning lane or 2 or 4
. So in your example maybe with the 5 day ticket you pay and extra $120 per person for 5 days of genie+ and 4 individual lightning lanes per person.
Disgruntled Walt
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
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I’m banking on them changing it again. I might actually be going next summer for my parents’ 50th…sort of a last hurrah thing…they’re so fed up none of us have been to a Disney park since 2019, and we had normal FP that year at DL. This is the worst possible version of this.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
It will be interesting to see how it compares to FP+, which was available to everyone for free. We had great luck getting what we wanted with FP+, we only cared about the 3 prebooks, as a paid option hopefully this will be similar.
JD80
Well-Known Member
This post is a little bit over the top.
1) you don't have to buy the service every day.
2) i think thr naming is better.
3) TSA precheck is always better
4) most of the ll room is going to pass people and not DAS people.
This seems genuinely better than g+ in all ways.
vikescaper
Well-Known Member
I can’t be the only one that thought of the movie The Fifth Element when the Multi Pass name was unveiled. IYKYK.
JD80
Well-Known Member
A lot of people didn't even know you could book a 4th FP after you use your three.
People are going to buy the Multipass with three selections already made before they enter their credit card info. Should work pretty well vs. buying and praying you get something the day of.
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
I hope so, I was just informed there’s tiers again which may be problematic, I don’t know enough about it yet to know if it’ll work or not.
easyrowrdw
Well-Known Member
Same. And we usually didn’t have much trouble getting more after those 3. But if they’re taking out meet-and-greets then that might make it more difficult now. Even if we don’t use them someone does and now they’ll be booking rides.
flynnibus
Premium Member
1 - sure, you don't have to buy, but that doesn't mean you aren't impacted by it
2 - could care less.. its more of a stain on their reputation for actually having some awareness
3 - Wrong - as a global traveler who has had precheck since the days of it being a Frequent Flyer perk and not a paid program and who has Global Entry... I can say with ease it's not always better, especially in the last 2 years
4 - I don't even know what you are trying to say here, given your tense and no idea if you are trying to say what was.. vs is.. etc
Better than G+? Sure, but that's like saying "Kicking you in the butt is better than kicking you in the face" -- But you're still getting kicked! Both these systems are for the worse when it comes to a theme park experience.
People complained about people always in their phones? Wait until people are just reservation hopping full time.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
Exactly. Who would buy this say in the summer months when they go and dont plan on the parks until the evening. My buddy is leaving in a couple weeks. He hasnt been in 3+ years and i hasnt used genie yet so was explaining how to stack