Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't understand people anymore. It seems that no matter what Dis does, it's just wonderful. I know...I probably shouldn't be on this site any longer, but I check in just to get a few laughs at the lengths people will go to say what a fun time they had paying a ridiculous amount just to walk into a park and then another ridiculous amount to ride a ride. Since I canceled the last two trips, I paid off my car loan, am now debt free and have no plans to give Disney another dime. We had an enormous amount of fun at WDW on past trips but that's over.

One of the strangest things in 25+ of these boards is how people have convinced themselves that being doubled charged to go on rides…and doubled charged for a day in the park…is GOOD for them.

It’s like out of a Distopian novel

 

[spock8113]

So when do they start to offer Genie + Plus?
Pahlease.

 

[Disstevefan1]

…oh get ready for REAL stupidity to start

It’s coming…soon

@Sirwalterraleigh , you left us hanging, you must spill the beans and tell us!!!!

 

[Disstevefan1]

Bob & Josh's response:

Its only funny because its true.

 

[LittleBuford]

but I check in just to get a few laughs at the lengths people will go to say what a fun time they had paying a ridiculous amount just to walk into a park and then another ridiculous amount to ride a ride.

I don’t understand this attitude. Some people no longer enjoy the experience; others continue to love it. No-one is wrong or deserving of scorn for feeling as they do.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t understand this attitude. Some people no longer enjoy the experience; others continue to love it. No-one is wrong or deserving of scorn for feeling as they do.

I’ll tell you for the 4,000,000 time…and you won’t care.

1. The most vocal critics are diehard fans who see the direction being taken is a path to longterm disaster. Nobody wants that.
2. The model is they cannot push away masses of people by choice for “Philosophy”. The numbers don’t Work without large numbers of people in the parks spending money. Period. Any suggestion they can sustain it otherwise is fallacy.
3. This is a consumer - supplier relationship. The consumer has the ability to affect change and protect themselves by voting against bad policy. That hasn’t been happening…enough…yet.
4. The management does NOT care about the quality of parks after they leave. Don’t trust them. It’s not in their interests to protect them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Looks like same price point for G+ today as yesterday, so no increase even with MK/hopper selling out yesterday

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Wow!

What a steal!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Wonder if they lower th cap a bit (or it has been lower)

Not saying I would want to pay $35 for it but paying that and being able to get 5 or 6 decent uses is better than $30 and getting 2 good rides

Take a step back and look at the mental somersaults you have going on this…

Nor “you”…but the customer in general

How is this not a mess?

 

[LittleBuford]

I’ll tell you for the 4,000,000 time…and you won’t care.

1. The most vocal critics are diehard fans who see the direction being taken is a path to longterm disaster. Nobody wants that.
2. The model is they cannot push away masses of people by choice for “Philosophy”. The numbers don’t Work without large numbers of people in the parks spending money. Period. Any suggestion they can sustain it otherwise is fallacy.
3. This is a consumer - supplier relationship. The consumer has the ability to affect change and protect themselves by voting against bad policy. That hasn’t been happening…enough…yet.
4. The management does NOT care about the quality of parks after they leave. Don’t trust them. It’s not in their interests to protect them.

None of this has anything to do with my point.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don’t understand this attitude. Some people no longer enjoy the experience; others continue to love it. No-one is wrong or deserving of scorn for feeling as they do.

Let me try to explain.

When WDW first opened the gate price was very low but there was ticket books for attractions. It was tolerated because the park was new and the gate prices were low.

Then WDW dropped the ticket books and raised the gate price, but the attractions were free so that was tolerated.

Then WDW went to paper Fastpasses. Attractions still FREE. This was my favorite. Only the most popular attractions had paper fastpasses, and the rest were standby. I felt there was a good mix and my favorite part was to go to the end of a the standby queue of a fastpass line and make magic for a total stranger and give them your paper fastpass, you could create some magic for free.

Then WDW want to Fastpass+ This was paperless. Attractions still free, you could even schedule your fastpass 60 days in advance, many folks loved and mastered this system and if done right, you could eliminate the "zig zag" through the parks. Even if you couldn't do the zig zag and you were going to miss your Fastpass time, NO PROBLEM, IT WAS FREE, NO LOSS. I did miss handing my paper Fast pass to someone to make magic, but thats OK it was FREE.

That brings us to the present. Genie+ and ILL, NOT FREE. For all these years we had a FREE fastpass systems and folks LOVED it. Now that valuable service that was FREE, now cost you big time. Not only something that folks liked that was FREE was TAKEN AWAY, but NOW you must pay for a system that does not work as well. There is also the feeling that YOU MUST use the system since you paid for it and there is a loss of freedom there in my opinion. With the old free systems if the day did not work out, you didn't get on attractions you wanted to etc., it was OK there was no cost. Now you must invest money, and if things don't work out, you paid money AND you didn't get to do what you wanted to do, its really a let down and you feel you were taken. There is also the idea that you are a slave to Genie+ and ILL since you paid and, "lets just wait around till our time comes up" I paid for these LLs so I want to use them, then the ride breaks down. Remember all the while, the gate price just keeps going up.

I hope this helps you understand.

 

[LittleBuford]

Let me try to explain.

When WDW first opened the gate price was very low but there was ticket books for attractions. It was tolerated because the park was new and the gate prices were low.

Then WDW dropped the ticket books and raised the gate price, but the attractions were free so that was tolerated.

Then WDW went to paper Fastpasses. Attractions still FREE. This was my favorite. Only the most popular attractions had paper fastpasses, and the rest were standby. I felt there was a good mix and my favorite part was to go to the end of a the standby queue of a fastpass line and make magic for a total stranger and give them your paper fastpass, you could create some magic for free.

Then WDW want to Fastpass+ This was paperless. Attractions still free, you could even schedule your fastpass 60 days in advance, many folks loved and mastered this system and if done right, you could eliminate the "zig zag" through the parks. Even if you couldn't do the zig zag and you were going to miss your Fastpass time, NO PROBLEM, IT WAS FREE, NO LOSS. I did miss handing my paper Fast pass to someone to make magic, but thats OK it was FREE.

That brings us to the present. Genie+ and ILL, NOT FREE. For all these years we had a FREE fastpass systems and folks LOVED it. Now that valuable service that was FREE, now cost you big time. Not only something that folks liked that was FREE was TAKEN AWAY, but NOW you must pay for a system that does not work as well. There is also the feeling that YOU MUST use the system since you paid for it and there is a loss of freedom there in my opinion. With the old free systems if the day did not work out, you didn't get on attractions you wanted to etc., it was OK there was no cost. Now you must invest money, and if things don't work out, you paid money AND you didn't get to do what you wanted to do, its really a let down and you feel you were taken. There is also the idea that you are a slave to Genie+ and ILL since you paid and, "lets just wait around till our time comes up" I paid for these LLs so I want to use them, then the ride breaks down. Remember all the while, the gate price just keeps going up.

I hope this helps you understand.

Again, nothing at all to do with my point.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Again, nothing at all to do with my point.

Oh I thought you did not understand the attitude and why some people no longer enjoy the experience.

I was trying to explain.

 

[LittleBuford]

Oh I thought you did not understand the attitude and why some people no longer enjoy the experience.

I was trying to explain.

No. I suggest you reread my post. My meaning is perfectly clear.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

None of this has anything to do with my point.

It is the point

You’re whining about “individual choice” and dust dreams…which is NOT what Disney parks are designed to do.

It’s parkenomics 101

There are no individual choices…there never were

Which is why making excuses for bad product/policy affects everyone

 

[Disstevefan1]

No. I suggest you reread my post. My meaning is perfectly clear.

I think I understood it and tried to explain why some may not like G+ and ILL ( the subject of this thread)

 

[eliza61nyc]

I don't understand people anymore. It seems that no matter what Dis does, it's just wonderful. I know...I probably shouldn't be on this site any longer, but I check in just to get a few laughs at the lengths people will go to say what a fun time they had paying a ridiculous amount just to walk into a park and then another ridiculous amount to ride a ride. Since I canceled the last two trips, I paid off my car loan, am now debt free and have no plans to give Disney another dime. We had an enormous amount of fun at WDW on past trips but that's over.

because different people value different things. My boss (well old boss) was a smart (phd), financially savvy mom of 3. she always would say "I will pay any amount of money to not stand in line" so for her Genie plus is a God send. Not sure the correlation between genie plus and your car loan is. ???

I do have a wonderful time when I walk into the parks, that's why I still go. It brings me and my family enormous happiness. we're actually thinking about going back in February, we'd rather go to wdw than spend ridiculous amounts of money on Christmas gifts. Now I only used genie plus once but what's your problem with people saying they had a great time???
The great thing about working and earning your own money is that you can spend it on whatever floats your boat.

 

[eliza61nyc]

It is the point

You’re whining about “individual choice” and dust dreams…which is NOT what Disney parks are designed to do.

It’s parkenomics 101

There are no individual choices…there never were

Which is why making excuses for bad product/policy affects everyone

how does it effect everyone? you don't like the product, don't buy the product. seriously

 

[LittleBuford]

I think I understood it and tried to explain why some may not like G+ and ILL ( the subject of this thread)
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The attitude I don't understand is "check[ing] to get a few laughs at the lengths people will go to say what a fun time they had ..." My meaning was perfectly clear. I did not criticise the poster I quoted for not liking G+ and ILL. On the contrary, I wrote, "No-one is wrong or deserving of scorn for feeling as they do."

I hope you understand now.

 

[LittleBuford]

It is the point

You’re whining about “individual choice” and dust dreams…which is NOT what Disney parks are designed to do.

It’s parkenomics 101

There are no individual choices…there never were

Which is why making excuses for bad product/policy affects everyone

As I've told you before, you have no right to lecture me given that you spend more of your time and money at the parks than I do.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The attitude I don't understand is "check[ing] to get a few laughs at the lengths people will go to say what a fun time they had ..." My meaning was perfectly clear. I did not criticise the poster I quoted for not liking G+ and ILL. On the contrary, I wrote, "No-one is wrong or deserving of scorn for feeling as the do."

I hope you understand now.

I think you meant they. That's OK. I understand what you meant and I also make typos all the time.

I was was not saying anyone was wrong, just trying to explain folks may not like the current Genie+ system.