So we just button mash many times throughout the day to see when the next allotment is released?
Not crying but I appreciate your concern. Last I checked this is a discussion forum and I was merely contributing to the discussion. If you don’t care for my comments feel free to mute me. (Though I’d prefer you didn’t, we have nice convos in the past)
Yes. The current RotR (edit: queue system) sucks. This is *appears* to be a continuation of the suckage.
What matters is how much total capacity they allocate for LL. How and when guests go about booking it doesn't really matter on a macro level. If they make it easier to book LL (e.g. you can book earlier, or more at a time, etc.), it will run out faster. If they want it to last longer, they have to take measures to prevent guests from booking too many too quickly (e.g. withholding some initially, not letting you book another until you use the one you have, requiring you to wait a certain amount of time between bookings, etc.). Either way, if the total number of LL passes remains constant, Genie+ guests will get to use the LL the same number of times, on average.
Outside the Magic Kingdom, FP+ also released new times throughout the day.
Apples and oranges and you know it
Obviously I was being over the top, but the point stands. And the poster above said it better than I. Going to Disney isn’t some right. It is a product like any other. You can choose to pay or not. And actually in this case you can choose not to pay and still go and wait in lines for every ride they have.
My understanding:
You could not prebook fast passes in two separate parks. You could get a fast pass for a new park when you were in it and if they were available. Maxpass does not require you to be in the park and it appears this doesn’t either.
I am afraid the real endgame here for Disney is to effectively cut off the parks from people not staying on site. They have so many rooms the parks as can fairly busy just on that capacity alone. It would be easy for them to add partner hotels make up the difference if they want to add to these numbers. Over time the genie system will allow Disney to slowly favor on site guests more and mine untill people with day passes and AP holders can effectively not ride any of the major attractions without paying for lightening lane or booking one of the sanctioned hotels.
I would be surprised to see any FastPass+ not have a Lightning Lane. Fewer attractions decreases the perceived value of Genie+, especially at the non-Magic Kingdom parks.
I hope this is how it works.
The ironic part is they’re doing the opposite of that now. On site has basically no benefit and we know their IT infra is going to crash. You’re better off being the only person in your offsite hotel trying to book things at 7 am than being in the grand Floridian.
I honestly see both sides of this argument. Yes, Disney is a business, and consumers have the right to make their choice to patronize it or not. Totally fair.
So no standby VQ for non-BG rides. So if they price LL$ low enough most people buy it ($4-$24 is low enough in my opinion) then would standby just revert back to the old FP+ lengths?
Attempting attraction capacity optimization across the entire property is quite the undertaking. Will certainly be interesting to see the result and the success or lack thereof.
Or get push notifications... that's why you're telling Disney your preferences up front.
But there's a time and place... hating on boarding groups is not related to G+, LL, etc. We get it, you don't like Boarding Groups - but that didn't change with this thread's topic except to add another option. Boarding Groups are table stakes at this point - don't muddy up G+/LL conversation with stuff that is already done...
