Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

crazy4disney

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Huh? I just priced Coronado vs. Swan for mid-August. Coronado water view costs more than the Swan pre-paid rate. The Swan AAA prepaid rate is even lower. There's also a refundable AAA package that costs $3 less than Coronado rack rate and includes a $50 hotel credit.

The Dolphin is usually less than the Swan, but is full for the dates I checked. The Disney plus offer is approximately $400 lower, but that is also not available for the dates I checked.

While S/D/SR are not official WDW hotels, they are included in the extra hours, and the location is closer to Epcot/HS than Coronado.

(Though perhaps we should keep this quiet....)
Valid point but I was referring to the majority of Disney deluxe resorts especially ones on the monorail loop. One thing to your point which I would be curious about is renting dvc points and being allowed to go & that price point.
 

TheMaxRebo

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Valid point but I was referring to the majority of Disney deluxe resorts especially ones on the monorail loop. One thing to your point which I would be curious about is renting dvc points and being allowed to go & that price point.

That is what we are doing in December - rented points at Kidani and DVC villas are included
 

pdude81

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I believe it would be foolish for them to fold ILL into G+ at this point while they try to decide what the real future will hold for the product, because they could just as easily go to all ILL as they could to subscription only. Now I don't think that they would have to tweak this product all that much to make it marginally better and keep the same revenue, but I don't know how or if they could possibly put out anything that won't off at least 30% of the client base.

Say you keep ILL with the scheduling aspect, but make them $10-20 instead of $7-17, then cut the number of passes offered by 10%. Then you take Genie+ up to $25 per person and cap it so that inventory is not as terrible. That takes care of the financial piece. From there, you allow resort guests to purchase G+ and make their first selection starting at 9pm the night before if they choose. This would still count the same as the 7am selection would have and require it be redeemed or the 2 hours after park opening opening to pass, but you could have lower stress attempt at getting a pass and sleep later if you prefer. I think in this case they should do the same for ILL rather than the 7a/9a shuffle, so there is only one time drop to keep track of. Last, and least likely IMO, setting the ability to replace one pass with another, though it would need to come with a warning that you're resetting the 2 hour clock by doing so.
 

Jrb1979

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I believe it would be foolish for them to fold ILL into G+ at this point while they try to decide what the real future will hold for the product, because they could just as easily go to all ILL as they could to subscription only. Now I don't think that they would have to tweak this product all that much to make it marginally better and keep the same revenue, but I don't know how or if they could possibly put out anything that won't **** off at least 30% of the client base.

Say you keep ILL with the scheduling aspect, but make them $10-20 instead of $7-17, then cut the number of passes offered by 10%. Then you take Genie+ up to $25 per person and cap it so that inventory is not as terrible. That takes care of the financial piece. From there, you allow resort guests to purchase G+ and make their first selection starting at 9pm the night before if they choose. This would still count the same as the 7am selection would have and require it be redeemed or the 2 hours after park opening opening to pass, but you could have lower stress attempt at getting a pass and sleep later if you prefer. I think in this case they should do the same for ILL rather than the 7a/9a shuffle, so there is only one time drop to keep track of. Last, and least likely IMO, setting the ability to replace one pass with another, though it would need to come with a warning that you're resetting the 2 hour clock by doing so.
Still more complex then it needs to be. Just make it simple. Change the price to $30 but cap sales so it's only available to 10% of guests each day.
 

TheMaxRebo

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I believe it would be foolish for them to fold ILL into G+ at this point while they try to decide what the real future will hold for the product, because they could just as easily go to all ILL as they could to subscription only. Now I don't think that they would have to tweak this product all that much to make it marginally better and keep the same revenue, but I don't know how or if they could possibly put out anything that won't **** off at least 30% of the client base.

Say you keep ILL with the scheduling aspect, but make them $10-20 instead of $7-17, then cut the number of passes offered by 10%. Then you take Genie+ up to $25 per person and cap it so that inventory is not as terrible. That takes care of the financial piece. From there, you allow resort guests to purchase G+ and make their first selection starting at 9pm the night before if they choose. This would still count the same as the 7am selection would have and require it be redeemed or the 2 hours after park opening opening to pass, but you could have lower stress attempt at getting a pass and sleep later if you prefer. I think in this case they should do the same for ILL rather than the 7a/9a shuffle, so there is only one time drop to keep track of. Last, and least likely IMO, setting the ability to replace one pass with another, though it would need to come with a warning that you're resetting the 2 hour clock by doing so.

I definitely think they need a "modify" feature so you don't have to "cancel and hope" if you want to change a LL

I think directionally what you propose makes sense and would help- just not sure if the scale is right ... Like to have an impact does G+ need to only go to $25 or does it realistically need to be $50+?

And doing it the night before definitely is better, though 9pm now has you doing it during fireworks so not sure if that is ideal .... Maybe noon the day before or even 4pm?
 

dreday3

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From what I understand this may be by design. They don't want people constantly attempting to trade up reservations - this would make inventory even worse throughout the day.

Really though? Chances are Slinky is going to be gone early no matter what. Same with most of the biggies. What's the harm in allowing people to attempt to change a ride time for a better time for a ride they already have reserved?
 

pdude81

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Still more complex then it needs to be. Just make it simple. Change the price to $30 but cap sales so it's only available to 10% of guests each day.
I'd be fine with this if we're just talking about the G+ part and leave ILL alone. If they included those as well the price would have to go higher.

I agree that simple is better also. I have no problem with getting up early and fighting it out with the hordes. I just think there are enough people who dislike getting up early to make the selections that throwing them a bone would help GSAT moving forward.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
From what I understand this may be by design. They don't want people constantly attempting to trade up reservations - this would make inventory even worse throughout the day.
It didn’t before. In the old system there were ways to get FoP the day of. Just keep refreshing and occasionally it would pop up where some were modifying

They have majorly broke system all of their own doing
 

Fido Chuckwagon

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THE DRAWBACK IS MY FAMILY HATES HATES HATES ALL PLANNING REQUIRED TO VISIT A THEME PARK.

Personally I wish they went to Universal route. Get rid of return times and cap sales.
I don't hope they go that way. They'd have to charge more than Universal does, and there is no way they coudl give it for free to all their deluxe rooms. I'm not paying an extra $800 per day for a family of four just to enjoy the already overpriced theme park I paid $400 for a family of four to enter. I'd bet I'm the median guest here, and Disney would take a real income hit if they did this. I'd just stop going.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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There is no reason, aside from cost reduction, that any of the parks should be closed before 10pm, with the exception of animal kingdom. Bottom line is that there is a bean counter somewhere that figured out that the money being generated in the evening is too low to justify the costs of having cast members staffed in the parks.
So you mean there is no reason except for an absolutely logical business reason to not be operating at a loss?
 

pdude81

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From what I understand this may be by design. They don't want people constantly attempting to trade up reservations - this would make inventory even worse throughout the day.
That makes sense and it's part of why I don't think it's that likely they'd move in this direction. With the way they are implementing the times and checking for what is currently out there, it'd put a lot more stress on the system reserving stub reservations for people while they made up their mind. It could turn this into the Hunger Games, which it'd already be if they didn't limit to one per attraction.
Really though? Chances are Slinky is going to be gone early no matter what. Same with most of the biggies. What's the harm in allowing people to attempt to change a ride time for a better time for a ride they already have reserved?
I think the harm would be that people who knew when the drops might be would grab up reservations needed to balance the system. These people might be able to pull 6 or 7 passes in a given day where another might only be able to get 4 without running into re-ride restrictions. This is impossible to know.

However, if they were to cap the sales such that there was sufficient inventory, none of this matters and people should be able to swap at will.
 

TheMaxRebo

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I don't hope they go that way. They'd have to charge more than Universal does, and there is no way they coudl give it for free to all their deluxe rooms. I'm not paying an extra $800 per day for a family of four just to enjoy the already overpriced theme park I paid $400 for a family of four to enter. I'd bet I'm the median guest here, and Disney would take a real income hit if they did this. I'd just stop going.

If they do go that route but really, really limit it so that it almost functions like standby only - basically just like ramping up the VIP tours - then it could be ok

But if they do that and on most days you *need* to buy it to avoid a ton of 45min waits, then it will suck and we might be done 😂
 

Jrb1979

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It didn’t before. In the old system there were ways to get FoP the day of. Just keep refreshing and occasionally it would pop up where some were modifying

They have majorly broke system all of their own doing
Yes it's there own doing but I don't think it was intentional. In theory the system should work and I'm sure when they were testing it out with CMs it worked wonderfully. When this many guests are using it each day it overwhelms the system.

IMO had they capped sales from day 1 I don't think they would have as many complaints.
 

Disney Glimpses

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Really though? Chances are Slinky is going to be gone early no matter what. Same with most of the biggies. What's the harm in allowing people to attempt to change a ride time for a better time for a ride they already have reserved?
Because if you could trade up, there would be no risk in making any reservation at all. You just keep trading up over and over for a better reservation. Right now, you have to be fairly sure you want the reservation. All in all, the number of slots used stays the same but with people constantly swapping reservations, the volume on the system would be much higher which would affect inventory.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Yes it's there own doing but I don't think it was intentional. In theory the system should work and I'm sure when they were testing it out with CMs it worked wonderfully. When this many guests are using it each day it overwhelms the system.

IMO had they capped sales from day 1 I don't think they would have as many complaints.
Capping is not going to fix the bad design of this. They have went backwards, not forward

Also testing with CMs is fine, but if you don’t test with common guests who used the old system and get their feedback it may not be real feedback.

Also with AI and all the data they have they should be able to design a model of how this would work before releasing it to the masses and it not working well. But of course this takes management, common sense, and a decent IT department which apparent Disney doesn’t have
 

Disney Glimpses

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It didn’t before. In the old system there were ways to get FoP the day of. Just keep refreshing and occasionally it would pop up where some were modifying

They have majorly broke system all of their own doing
FP+ didn't have the volume issues that Genie+ does. It can't be said enough that when people pay for something, they are going to try their hardest to get their money's worth. Even if it means sitting on their phone all afternoon. The balking point for FP+ searches was much, much lower.
 

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