Sirwalterraleigh
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Ok then…that bottle is around here somewhere
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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Zero chance…even if Bob got the boot they are not going to reinvest to the level needed in wdw…
they’re “over it” now. And the customers don’t step in and demand it. They talk about how paying for a ride that is charged in the base ticket is great
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RSoxNo1
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Agreed on DAK. EPCOT needs quality based updates to what's actually there. That's Imagination, SSE and The Seas with the former needing a full on gutting / rebuild. DHS needs the mid-tier attractions, the C/D tickets to round out the roster. DAK, needs capacity that isn't necessarily a draw to the park. MK also needs capacity and a true update to Tomorrowland as opposed to the piecemeal approach.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The problem is nothing is going to be spent there for a long time. I don’t see any desire to continue construction after 8 years of bandaids.
I hope I’m wrong…but the management is awful (broken record) and that has repercussions
Casper Gutman
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Don’t touch Star Tours. It’s MILES better then Smugglers and, personally, I find it as satisfying and exciting as RotR - sometimes more.
Replace every single show, though. Including Fantasmic, which was a pale imitation of the original from the day it opened.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s better than both…and it still it remains an inadequate way to represent the biggest franchise of mordern Hollywood.
What does that say?
Casper Gutman
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It’s hard to see, yes. But if the crowd management systems continue to collapse, they can’t sell the parks, and Universal continues to build capacity and increase market share, they’re out of options. The hope would be that some bright young exec realizes that the innovative plan of actually increasing capacity might fix some big problems and thus help advance their career, and the out-of-power Bobs could be made easy scapegoats for everything wrong with the company.
But then I’m an optimist. An optimist hoping for the disastrous (if temporary) collapse of something he loves in the hopes of saving it.
Casper Gutman
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At least with Star Wars they’re sort of trying. With the MCU - which I’d argue is quite a bit bigger then SW and just as historic - their behavior borders on the incomprehensible.
UNCgolf
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I think that was the original intent. There were several different shows that ran in the early years of the park but they gave up on it pretty quickly.
Fox&Hound
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Better than Rise?????? Really....
hopemax
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But demand is outstripping availability by so much I don’t expect adding whatever number these represent to the pool is going to do much besides buy an extra half hour or hour of availability on those rides at the expense of selling out these hours earlier than they did as an ILL. A half hour or hour longer isn’t going to help anyone if their window for next booking is 2 hrs away. The choice was unhappy Genie+ Users, but happy users of these 4 rides who used ILL successfully. I suspect now everyone will be unhappy.
I was considering buying a Frozen ILL when we go on Wednesday because I never could get a FP. I have no interest in buying Genie+ because we don’t like TT or bendy Eiffel Tower. This change won’t make me buy Genie+, it just prevents me from purchasing an ILL.
RSoxNo1
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I don't disagree with the first part, but adding these back will absolutely help. EPCOT is a whole other issue right now, it's a collection of mediocrity.
Casper Gutman
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I admire the artistry of parts of Rise, but choices made at the design stage (monotonous environments, which is dark ride no-no number one, and AAs that are just normal sized humans) keep the excitement low. Kylo never seems like a threat. The only true thrill is the drop ship.
Star Tours makes me go “wheeeee” and has lots of diverse settings. And C3PO.
UNCgolf
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Disney did you a favor. It's a short, mediocre (at best) attraction that's not worth more than a 10-15 minute wait; it's certainly not worth paying extra to ride.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Jrb1979
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The parks are just background noise for Disney now. It's all about Disney+ now.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Maybe…but that’s a pathetic copout
the parks are Disney’s biggest protection against decline…unless you neglect them
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Isn't that what they are doing? In their mind, why add anything, people are still coming. I have been told many times new attractions don't draw people to Disney like the do at other parks.
MrPromey
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Funny - I mostly hear adding new attractions would just make them too busy when I see the apologists justifying things.
What they need are more attractions that aren't headliners which, once built, they don't try to promote like headliners.
Alien's Flying Saucers in isolation (in a better built land) are not a bad thing but as one of only two new attractions in a "new" land that got an international advertising campaign, they're embarrassing.
If they would just open small stuff and let it absorb crowds, it would do wonders.
People still like the smaller things. People Mover is a small classic that's still fun. The problem is the 45-60 minute headliner-style wait for it.
More attractions like that property-wide, accessible to everyone from the youngest to the oldest that are at least a little unique but not sold as amazing, mind-blowing experiences that Disney tries to promote for half a decade as the second coming would do wonders.
The issue is, they don't seem to want to add anything they can't draw a direct line of increased revenue to and you can't build something to help absorb crowds with the expectation that it will directly increase revenue.
Spend money... on... guest satisfaction?!
What kind of madness is that?!
Fixing a problem is about getting back to where you already should be but they don't even want to acknowledge the problem.
It's like they're trying to figure out how to stitch a third arm onto someone because they think it'll make them more productive while that person is going through cardiac arrest.
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Th
The ONLY way of sorting the system out is to have LESS people in the parks. Otherwise all you are doing is finding a system to shepherding the same number of people round but in different ways...end result is always the same.
They need to either raise entrance prices by $80 (or charge $80 for genie) that may reduce numbers enough to make things more manageable. But the top dogs at Disney won't like that as it will reduce the number of Mugs inside their parks buying overpriced food and buying $30 ears that cost $2 to make.
Thing is, Disney want it both ends....More people in the park for more money, but try to limit G+ numbers.
The ONLY way of sorting the system out is to have LESS people in the parks. Otherwise all you are doing is finding a system to shepherding the same number of people round but in different ways...end result is always the same.
They need to either raise entrance prices by $80 (or charge $80 for genie) that may reduce numbers enough to make things more manageable. But the top dogs at Disney won't like that as it will reduce the number of Mugs inside their parks buying overpriced food and buying $30 ears that cost $2 to make.