dirtnap101
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Yeah, your first 3 or 4 G+ selections would have to be less popular G+ attractions, especially that first one
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dirtnap101
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I think ToT is still down for unscheduled maintenance, so it may show as "unavailable" due to that. But 7D on the ILL side and MFSR on the G+ are definitely a surprise (although maybe MFSR less so with ToT down)
Patcheslee
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ToT is showing queue times.
Patcheslee
Well-Known Member
There are also no mobile order times or TS reservations available across the parks if you use the Tips tab. Going directly to mobile ordering shows a ton of times.
Purduevian
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Wondering if only half of ToT is running? 90 minute queue, no G+ available.
I feel like its usually pretty close to RnRC time wise and that has a 50 min wait and a 6:40G+
And people seem to think this system is working??? This mobile order thing needs to go or at least allow walkups, I know we wont wait 45 min for a Dole Whip or Turkey Leg etc.
Chi84
Premium Member
I think the mobile order times are available, just not showing under the Tips tab. We loved mobile ordering - we usually got an immediate window and never had to wait very long. Also, because they are not letting people without food into the seating areas, it was easy to get a table.
dirtnap101
Member
in that case, add ToT to the list of things that are rather surprisingly sold out early on a Thursday in early Nov with an overall resort crowd level of 3
(edit to add: turns out ToT had a delayed opening, so it's not clear if they had to remove it from today's G+ roster due to uncertainty of when it would be available?)
Jrb1979
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I expect on busier days Standby is going to be awful as they will release more LL availability. While those waiting in standby will moving at a snails pace, LL guests will be on in 20 minutes or less.
UNCgolf
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That won't be helpful if you can't actually get one, though, which is my point. Standby will still be your only option for most rides if things are like this.
I'd expect them to increase the number available, but if they're already out of availability by early afternoon on non-busy days, there's no reason to think it would be any better on busy days.
Jrb1979
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Right now most waits on LL are 5 minutes. I do see them upping it to more like 20 minutes. I think availability will be better outside of a few rides. IMO they are still trying to find that sweet spot for Genie+. Their best option is stop worrying about guest satisfaction in standby queues.
jpchambana
Member
A 20 minute LL queue will still be seen as unacceptable to most people paying $15 per person per day so they have to keep availability relatively low. Also, if standby gets too bad and the only way to have a pleasant experience riding attractions is by paying extra, Disney will get a bad rap and lose future bookings and potential bookings through word-of-mouth (and word-of-mouth is still a powerful thing).
Purduevian
Well-Known Member
No more people per hour can get through a 20min LL than a 5 min LL. To increase the amount of LL per hour, Disney would need to change the LL to Standby Ratio.
homerdance
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I get the point you are trying to make, but staying at a comfort inn isn’t any where in the same level as staying on property at either resorts moderates or higher.
Staying at a comfort inn Vs the values is a much better comparison. And the comfort inn is better with so few perks.
DisneyDodo
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I expect G+ value to remain roughly constant regardless of park attendance.
Lower attendance -> more LLs per user, less time saved per LL
Higher attendance -> fewer LLs per user, more time saved per LL
Of course, you will get less done overall on more crowded days regardless of whether you purchase G+. But the benefits of G+ relative to guests without it shouldn’t depend significantly on crowd level.
UNCgolf
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It does matter, though, because of ILLs.
If you're only going to be able to ride one or two rides via Genie+ on a busy day, you'd be better off spending that money on ILL purchases -- unless they suddenly start charging $30+ for an ILL, but based on current pricing -- because you'd be getting a lot more value for your money. If you were already going to buy the ILLs then it doesn't really matter, but for people who aren't planning to shell out $40+ per day per person for rides, why pay the $15 per person for Genie+ for one or two secondary rides when you could spend $20-25 per person for two headliners?
It's a very different calculation if you get to use Genie+ for 5 or 6 rides (even if the overall amount of time saved was the same, but that's probably not true since the bigger rides generally still have long waits even on less busy days), or if ILLs didn't exist at all.
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Jrb1979
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If the LL wait is only 5 minutes means they aren't releasing that many any hour. On busier days I see them releasing more LL an hour then they do now. I can also see them making 20 LL to 1 in Standby.
TimeTrip
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20 LL to 1 Standby? Did you miss the huge debate around whether or not the alleged FP+ ratio of 80:20 (aka 4:1) was real?
DisneyDodo
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I certainly agree that the value of ILLs changes based on attendance. This is somewhat mitigated by the variable pricing, but Disney has restricted the range so heavily for now that it can’t fully keep up with attendance levels.
But ILL vs G+ is not an either/or proposition. If you would purchase G+ on empty days, it might make sense to purchase G+ and ILL on crowded days. Conversely, if you wouldn’t purchase anything on empty days, it might make sense to purchase only ILLs on crowded days. Unless you have some sort of hard budget that can only accommodate either G+ or ILL, attendance shouldn’t really impact the former IMO.