Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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mikejs78 said:
Early entry, which means you can get a jump on the headliners that don't have boarding groups and avoid paying for them.

Dining 60 days out for your whole stay

Early booking (7 am as opposed to park opening) for the premium attractions
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In practice, this will give the resort guest the benefit of making a BG and, if that fails, ensuring a ride on a headliner with money. It’s a benefit, just a potentially pricy one.

Hey, what are the second a la carte LL rides? Like, I assume at DHS RotR would be $24 and SDD like $10?
 
mikejs78

mikejs78

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MansionButler84 said:
You have to want it to find success.

Early entry plans:
MK 7DMT to Space Mtn (getting on those two is certainly a benefit).
Epcot Test Track if operating. Otherwise Frozen to Soarin. Again, a benefit.
DHS SDD to RnRC. Rinse with ToT around park open.
DAK FoP to Safari

Use your time well!
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These are not dissimilar to my rope drop plans pre-FP+, outside of the newer attractions...
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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MansionButler84 said:
In practice, this will give the resort guest the benefit of making a BG and, if that fails, ensuring a ride on a headliner with money. It’s a benefit, just a potentially pricy one.

Hey, what are the second a la carte LL rides? Like, I assume at DHS RotR would be $24 and SDD like $10?
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I must ask this question of different posters 3x a week…and I never get a direct answer:

“has anyone actually ridden this thing?”
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I must ask this question of different posters 3x a week…and I never get a direct answer:

“has anyone actually ridden this thing?”
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It’s funny (and off topic): it isn’t even in my top 10 list. It’s impressive, but it lacks the fun of the classics. My kids literally never ask to ride. They’d rather go on Tower of Terror 4 times than give up 90 minutes for the “experience”.

When we went to DL, they asked me to get BGs for Webslingers because they liked it more. We never rode anything in SWGE there in 5 park days. Who in their right mind would give up even a single ride on Indy for RotR?
 
Jeff4272

Jeff4272

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G00fyDad said:
So what benefit do I have for staying on property at this point? Seriously. Is there even a single benefit to staying on property? Aren't you still able to book your dining 60 days out even if you stay off property? What does staying on property give you with Genie+ or IAS? Do people staying on property get the book these things sooner than anyone else off property? I'm seriously considering canceling this trip and booking a hotel off property and saving $1,500.
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Theres none (sorry!).........


Go stay here, get the free express pass and visit Disney.....

https://www.disneytouristblog.com/review-portofino-bay-hotel-universal-orlando/

little quote from Tom to peek your interest:

"At Walt Disney World, the most logical counterpart to Loews Portofino Bay Hotel is Disney’s Riviera Resort, which is themed to the Italian or French Riviera. Here, the comparison is far less favorable to Disney, as Loews Portofino Bay Hotel absolutely trounces Disney’s Riviera Resort."

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Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Jeff4272 said:
Theres none (sorry!).........


Go stay here, get the free express pass and visit Disney.....

https://www.disneytouristblog.com/review-portofino-bay-hotel-universal-orlando/

little quote from Tom to peek your interest:

"At Walt Disney World, the most logical counterpart to Loews Portofino Bay Hotel is Disney’s Riviera Resort, which is themed to the Italian or French Riviera. Here, the comparison is far less favorable to Disney, as Loews Portofino Bay Hotel absolutely trounces Disney’s Riviera Resort."

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Riviera is a timeshare block

the actual comparison to portofino would be grand Floridian or yacht club….

and in that case the price destroys Disney to a higher degree.

they did at least add that bridge to walk for n
Magic kingdom though 👍🏻
 
Jeff4272

Jeff4272

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Riviera is a timeshare block

the actual comparison to portofino would be grand Floridian or yacht club….

and in that case the price destroys Disney to a higher degree.

they did at least add that bridge to walk for n
Magic kingdom though 👍🏻
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Honestly dont know why anyone would stay on Disney property ever again..........

This place BLOWS all WDW hotels away, for less than half the cost AND you get Express Pass


Remind me why i'd pay $1,000 for the Poly?
 
mattpeto

mattpeto

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Jeff4272 said:
Theres none (sorry!).........


Go say here, get the free express pass and visit Disney.....

https://www.disneytouristblog.com/review-portofino-bay-hotel-universal-orlando/

little quote from Tom to peek your interest "At Walt Disney World, the most logical counterpart to Loews Portofino Bay Hotel is Disney’s Riviera Resort, which is themed to the Italian or French Riviera. Here, the comparison is far less favorable to Disney, as Loews Portofino Bay Hotel absolutely trounces Disney’s Riviera Resort."

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There are still benefits to staying onsite:
  1. Refundable and adjustable packages with a small deposit $200
  2. All transportation is covered once you're inside the Bubble
  3. Chargeback to Magicband
  4. DME (RIP January 2022)
  5. Early Park Access (which is more hours in the theme parks than the Extra Magic Hours that existed in March 2020)
  6. Evening Hours (Deluxe Guests only)
  7. First crack at IAS (7 am) which gives onsite a much better shot of getting the favorites (7DMT, Rise, Slinky, FoP)
  8. Longer ADR window (60+)
  9. Dining Plan bolt-on when it returns
Don't get me wrong, I do agree that removing free Magicbands, losing 60+ FP, and Magical Express does bring the value down on staying onsite.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Jeff4272 said:
Honestly dont know why anyone would stay on Disney property ever again..........

This place BLOWS all WDW hotels away, for less than half the cost AND you get Express Pass


Remind me why i'd pay $1,000 for the Poly?
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Overall…wdw is still a better, more cohesive, better constructed property.

but that was built mostly by the management PRIOR to the Bobs. Period.

but the gap since Comcast entered (and it’s COMCAST) has reduced a lot.
 
Jeff4272

Jeff4272

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mattpeto said:
There are still benefits to staying onsite:
  1. Refundable and adjustable packages with a small deposit $200
  2. All transportation is covered once you're inside the Bubble
  3. Chargeback to Magicband
  4. DME (RIP January 2022)
  5. Early Park Access (which is more hours in the theme parks than the Extra Magic Hours that existed in March 2020)
  6. Evening Hours (Deluxe Guests only)
  7. First crack at IAS (7 am) which gives onsite a much better shot of getting the favorites (7DMT, Rise, Slinky, FoP)
  8. Longer ADR window (60+)
  9. Dining Plan bolt-on when it returns
Don't get me wrong, I do agree that removing free Magicbands, losing 60+ FP, and Magical Express does bring the value down on staying onsite.
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1. hardly a benefit as opposed to another cost
2. Anyone can use the transportation, it's free for non resort guests too (at least for now)
3. Anyone can buy a Magicband, not just resort guests
4. DME is over
5. only a small % of guests rope drop (i think its 15%)
6. Deluxe only, so have to pay up
7. No way any of these ever sell out by park opening completely irrelevant and a complete non factor
8. 60+10, fair point but not worth the thousands you pay up
9. TBD
 
Muffinpants

Muffinpants

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This might be my last Disney trip just due to the fact that genie + makes everything a "who knows" situation. How much will IA$ be per day of our trip.. who know. Will we be able to get on a few headliner if we rope drop... Who knows... All these things we could book months away and than forget about it and never have to worry. If we slept in at least we had our booked rides.

Now I am panicking about genie+ how much it will be how bad lines will be if we don't buy it. If we don't rope drop do we than need to purchase genie+ to make the days ticket worth the price... Paying more to feel like it was worth it kinda makes me upset. Alot is riding on that 30 min before park..if the bus is late, my child takes a poop in the morning and we miss the bus does that ruin the day and cost us more due to needing genie+ to not waste our day.?

Time vs money.. this was easy with the old way of things. I knew what I was paying for and what we would get. If things broke down we got a pass to another ride and it didn't mess the day up.

This.. I can't budget.. I can't plan and it's driving me mad.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Disney excels at is creating inflated false value to help steer and justify consumer behavior...

DDP is a great value (because we boosted all the prices to steer people to DDP and make it look better)
DVC is a great value (because we compare only to deluxe resorts with absurd rack rates)
AP discounts are great (because we are already overcharging you rediculous list prices)

The same will be for paid fastpasses... Disney will establish a price and then tease people with 'great value' by giving it away or bundling it with things. By monetizing something DIsney basically has zero cost for, they are basically printing money/value they can barter with guests over.

Stay at this hotel at this higher rate and get 2 free passes per guest!
Oh I'm sorry you we disappointed with our service, here are free lightning lane pass credits for each of your party...
etc
etc

Just wait...
 
G00fyDad

G00fyDad

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mattpeto said:
There are still benefits to staying onsite:
  1. Refundable and adjustable packages with a small deposit $200
  2. All transportation is covered once you're inside the Bubble
  3. Chargeback to Magicband
  4. DME (RIP January 2022)
  5. Early Park Access (which is more hours in the theme parks than the Extra Magic Hours that existed in March 2020)
  6. Evening Hours (Deluxe Guests only)
  7. First crack at IAS (7 am) which gives onsite a much better shot of getting the favorites (7DMT, Rise, Slinky, FoP)
  8. Longer ADR window (60+)
  9. Dining Plan bolt-on when it returns
Don't get me wrong, I do agree that removing free Magicbands, losing 60+ FP, and Magical Express does bring the value down on staying onsite.
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1. I can get travel insurance from a third party for the same price that Disney charged.
2. A team of Clydesdales could not pull me on the Disney transportation unless it's absolute only option. We rent a car specifically for this reason.
3. I don't want anything charged to my magic band so I never set that up anyway.
4. See number 2.
5. 30 minutes extra in the park honestly is not enough of a draw to make me want to have to spend an extra $1,500.
6. We were going to stay at a value resort so the deluxe extra hours don't apply.
7. This is the one that concerns me I guess. We're going to be going in November next year so I'm hoping that since it's a slower time of the year for travel to Disney World that I'll have a better shot of getting these options after the park opens.
8. But how much longer? I know you say 60+ but even if I'm staying off property I can still book my ADR's at 60 days early for each day of my trip correct? I would just have to get up every single morning for the length of my stay. I could book 60 days out for my day one of my trip, then 60 days out on the next morning for day two of my trip, etc?
9. What do you mean dining plan bolt-on?
 

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