Waters Back Side
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It is strange how so many are not looking for clarity on these questions. They are the most important aspects.
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peter11435
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I agree there are still many unanswered questions. I was mostly responding to your statement that they hadn’t announced anything. There’s a lot we don’t know but also a lot we do.
GimpYancIent
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The way things are evolving and as more rules and limitations are revealed I can see the reasoning w selecting Genie as the poster child;
Stevie Amsterdam
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Me too. I've set aside money over the past decade because I am gifting my best friend a once in a lifetime trip to WDW for our 25 year friendship anniversary. We were supposed to go in 2020 (we've been friends since '95) and it would have all worked out with FP+, navigating through the parks, etc, but then: covid.
I now feel a bit thrown off, because I booked our trip for September 2022 before Genie+ was pubicly announced by Disney. I'm not going to cancel since I have been dreaming about this trip for the last 15 years, but I am glad that Genie+ will be in effect for a year prior to my arrival. I'm hoping that all the bumps on the road will be ironed out by then and that it will be clear how to make the best use of this system.
dav23
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Yes there are some unanswered questions but I do think people need to stop assuming the worst possible scenario. It really isn’t in Disney’s best interest to ruin your park days despite all of the theories to the contrary.
Maxpass was very popular at DL even though we were paying for something that used fo be free. Why was it popular? Because it really did make the days easier and more convenient. Similarly, I would expect this system to provide an enhanced experience for the price.
You’re not going to make a reservation for a ride 10 hours away without the ability to make a new selection in the meantime. Just not going to happen. Being stuck on one reservation all day would be a complete waste of money and you’d never buy Genie+ again. Not what Disney wants. They want you hooked on it and to buy it every time you visit, just like DL guests were conditioned to do with MaxPass.
Maxpass was very popular at DL even though we were paying for something that used fo be free. Why was it popular? Because it really did make the days easier and more convenient. Similarly, I would expect this system to provide an enhanced experience for the price.
You’re not going to make a reservation for a ride 10 hours away without the ability to make a new selection in the meantime. Just not going to happen. Being stuck on one reservation all day would be a complete waste of money and you’d never buy Genie+ again. Not what Disney wants. They want you hooked on it and to buy it every time you visit, just like DL guests were conditioned to do with MaxPass.
Minnesota disney fan
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I had to reply to the "2 per park for the paid passes. They are only 2 per day to use at any park, Not 2 per park. That seems to be a common misconception. If you want one at the MK and one at AK, then that's your 2 paid for passes a day.
This whole thing is so confusing. Could Disney have made it any more confusing???
dovetail65
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What make no sense is people believing Disney is getting rid of free Magic Bands because Disney got enough data from that.
It is 100%the opposite
Disney gets far far more Data when we simply carry our phones and they are turned on and if the Disney app is enabled Disney is even e better off, but they get data even if a person doesn't have the Disney app on their phones at all.
Let's say only 5% of people left their phones in their room because they didn't want tech on vacation, that is an instant 1million more people's data per year by having those people bring in their phones now. The data is not only useful to Disney, but to third parties too.
I am not commenting on whether this is good or bad, I am saying getting rid of Magic bands in no way reduces Disney gathering data. Having us going to phones actually gives the potential for Disney to gain far more data and is simply irrefutable. If or how Disney acts, gathers or uses this data is a different post. The small print seems to indicate they use the data and share it.
There are thousands of articles, this is a generic article from a few years ago that discusses
msutoday.msu.edu
Even outside of data gathering from us using going to phones provides Disney with the potential to get more guests to use the Disney app even more. Home Depot invested 11 billion to as they say “unlock a frictionless interconnected shopping experience to seamlessly blend the digital and physical worlds.” This app and how they used people's data is directly related to record breaking profits. Getting us on the app is just another reason to get us on phones and away from stand alone Magic Bands.
Again, I am not discussing good or bad, right or wrong, just saying anyone that believes Disney gained enough data from the Magic bands are only right in one respect and that is that the Magic bands didn't give enough data. After getting the data they could from the Magic Bands and knowing phones could give far more useful data they are now pushing us more toward our phones than ever. Disney will be wanting and getting data from us any way they can, right now phones are best, in the future who knows. In today world most big business will need want or even need data and it will never be enough.
I will use the app, but I will also wear my Magic band because I just like those better. I do not want to pull out my phone at every ride entrance.
It is 100%the opposite
Disney gets far far more Data when we simply carry our phones and they are turned on and if the Disney app is enabled Disney is even e better off, but they get data even if a person doesn't have the Disney app on their phones at all.
Let's say only 5% of people left their phones in their room because they didn't want tech on vacation, that is an instant 1million more people's data per year by having those people bring in their phones now. The data is not only useful to Disney, but to third parties too.
I am not commenting on whether this is good or bad, I am saying getting rid of Magic bands in no way reduces Disney gathering data. Having us going to phones actually gives the potential for Disney to gain far more data and is simply irrefutable. If or how Disney acts, gathers or uses this data is a different post. The small print seems to indicate they use the data and share it.
There are thousands of articles, this is a generic article from a few years ago that discusses
How companies are using cell phone data and Disney can do even more with us in the parks, apps enabled adnd wifi on even better for them.
How companies are using cell phone data
The exact same data that is used to predict traffic patterns can also be used to predict other kinds of information – information people might not be comfortable with revealing.
msutoday.msu.edu
Even outside of data gathering from us using going to phones provides Disney with the potential to get more guests to use the Disney app even more. Home Depot invested 11 billion to as they say “unlock a frictionless interconnected shopping experience to seamlessly blend the digital and physical worlds.” This app and how they used people's data is directly related to record breaking profits. Getting us on the app is just another reason to get us on phones and away from stand alone Magic Bands.
Again, I am not discussing good or bad, right or wrong, just saying anyone that believes Disney gained enough data from the Magic bands are only right in one respect and that is that the Magic bands didn't give enough data. After getting the data they could from the Magic Bands and knowing phones could give far more useful data they are now pushing us more toward our phones than ever. Disney will be wanting and getting data from us any way they can, right now phones are best, in the future who knows. In today world most big business will need want or even need data and it will never be enough.
I will use the app, but I will also wear my Magic band because I just like those better. I do not want to pull out my phone at every ride entrance.
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runnsally
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In part, seems like Genie is designed to use new, in-demand rides to incentivize WDW resort stays. My guess is that for a ride like Tron, most if not all of the IAS availability will be gobbled up by on-site guests at 7am. So depending on the IAS ride, offsite folks are either at the mercy of the virtual queue or standby. And to take it a step further, standby is further degraded by the lack of a rope drop for offsite guests. And to take it another step further, the only other option is evening extra magic hours for deluxe on-site guests only.
I dont know if Dylan qualifies as big Youtuber but I do enjoy his content!
pdude81
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This isn't a major difference when compared to a tier 1 fp at 60+3 days for on site being your only reasonable shot. Not disagreeing, just clarifying that you wouldn't have gotten that before anyway.
Joeamc
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My hunch is that there will not be standby lines for future headliners like tron. I think the only two options will be either virtual queue or pay to ride.
runnsally
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Or deluxe evening EMH
runnsally
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Plus no viable rope drop option for offsite.
DisneyCane
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Unless it is ridiculously low capacity like SDMT, I don't think this will be the case at MK. Other parks, yes but MK has enough attractions that except for a few months after opening maybe I don't thing VQ will be necessary.
Kirby86
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Disney sort of views Standby lines as a dirty word now. I don't think they will dissappear but I think that they will "encourage" visitors to use Lighting Lanes.
My understanding is that Lightning Lane, etc. is a completely new system, and not just new features built onto the original FP+ system. The original FP+ system has been repurposed for Park Pass.
dovetail65
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As I listened to the guys video for the first time ever I just do not care. What I do not care about is WDW at all, I care more about what some other are thinking and the only reason I even post here.
Right or wrong the FP thing still has me so less interested in going in my mind I think WDW?,Whatever. The passion is gone and I am a person that bought a home 6 min from Disney so my wife and I could "Disney" for a majority of our retirement. Now I feel like I don't even care about WDW as that home sits empty and we both work 70 to 90 hours a week to pay for two homes every month for another 641 days 36 hours and some odd minutes until our move date.
This is my live animated count down clock background on my computer
I was mad about FP for a few days(maybe weeks), now I just literally don't care. Disney did this, I did not all of a sudden lose interest out of thin air. I am not sure what this means, unique thoughts for humans are few and far between and it is said that at any given moment anything a person thinks about 10 thousand other humans have that same thought. My lack of passion is even during a time some great new lands and attraction are being introduced. If you told me a few years ago that Guardians of Galaxy, Tron, Pandora(one of my all time favs), Star Wars land, Remy's Ratatouille Adventure and more would be open or soon to be opening at WDW and I wouldn't even give a care about it , well that would of been sacrilege.
Even with those new attractions somehow what Disney has done ripped the passion right from me, again I didn't do it. I am not being dramatic, I am just saying if I feel this way I wonder how many others do and if it will even dent what Disney does in the future. Somehow I don't think it will. Maybe the passion will come back, but right now who knows, next week I may be over this forum too and find I do not even have the interest in Disney to make the daily check of this site like I have since 2016, let alone post.
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LovePop
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Oh no! You can't just sell the second home if you don't want it? (And buy another one later if you want). Why should you work long hours to pay for 2 homes? I believe the real estate market is really hot right now.
dovetail65
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Well we can always sell. We could never sell and get another for that price in that location and truly we are on a mission. I am not allowing something out of my hands to change our plans. If the time comes and we don't like being down there due to Disney or anything else we could sell, but selling would be after we move down and try it out, not before.
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