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C33Mom

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GoofGoof said:
If you have one that goes unused will it just remain in your inventory even though it’s expired? I guess it doesn’t matter most of the time since you could just modify it and book a new one that’s not expired. I was wondering if it would be a back door way to get the tiers to drop if you were not in the park yet by letting one expire.
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Several bloggers (and some randos!) have reported the tier 1s don’t unlock until you scan in, even after a first return expires. If that changes, the system would work much better for late risers/arrivers— basically sacrificing a FP for the ability to unlock better ones from outside the park— I haven’t paid attention as to whether you can’t book a 3rd one at all or if it just has to be a tier 2. Frankly, I don’t fault Disney from wanting discourage us from burning FPs for ITTBAB that some (less informed) guests would actually be thrilled to get at 8:30AM.
 
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Purduevian

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Welp 8/2 and another slow day at work... Challenge mode today playing in MK and DHS. I will just be editing this post as the day goes on

8:30am 5 refresh yields the following "prebooks"
ParkMagic KingdomHollywood Studios
Current "Booked" LLs [booked time]
  • 2:10pm Pirates [1:00pm]
  • 3:50pm BTMRR [10:40am]
  • 6:00pm Buzz [1:45pm]
  • ?? Everything else is either available right now of SDD (which hasn't come up)
  • 1:50pm RnRC [9:35am]
  • 2:50pm Alien [11:45am]
"Used" LLs, (Time it was used)|Standby wait when used [time it was booked]
  • Pooh (10:20am)| 20 mins [Booked at 8:30am]
  • SM (10:40am)| 60 mins[Booked at 10:20am]
  • JC (1:00pm) | 25 mins [booked at 8:30am]
  • HM (1:45pm)| 13 mins [booked at 10:40am]
  • MMRR (9:35am)| 50 mins [Booked at 8:30am]
  • TOT (10:20am)| 30 mins [Booked at 8:30am]
  • TSMM (11:45)| 45 mins [Booked at 9:35am]
  • MFSR (11:55am) | 40 mins [Booked at 10:20am]
Total posted standby time105pm165
I'm going to stop now because everything else in MK is under 10 mins
 
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Purduevian

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So "playing" the game the last 2 days gave me a flow chart in my head.
Tier 1: Tiana. SDD
Tier 2: JC, BTMRR, SM, HM. ToT, TSMM, RNRC
Tier 3:Buzz, Pooh, Pirates. MMRR, MFSR
Tier 4: Barnstomer, dumbo, small world, speed way, Mermaid. Alien

When booking a new LL:

1. Is there a tier 1 attraction that is available to you? If yes book it
2. Is there a tier 2 attraction that is available to you in the next 2.5 hours? If yes, book it.
3. Do you have anything booked for the next 90 mins? If yes, move to 4.I f no, select the best ride available in the next 90 mins
4. Are any tier 2 available in the next 5 hours? If so book it. If no, move to 5.
5. Are any tier 3 available in the next 3 hours? If so book it. If no, move to 6.
6. Book the best ride available regardless of time.
 
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Fido Chuckwagon

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Disstevefan1 said:
In my opinion its all about MONEY.

Disney doesn't care about the guest experience, they will tweak the system such that they can get the most people to purchase it.

My hope a side effect of the changes they they may improve the guest experience, but we must realize, the guest experience is NOT the priority for Disney.

The priority for Disney is MONEY when it comes to their them parks.
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TWDC, a publicly traded company caring about profits, and WDW caring about the guest experience are not mutually exclusive. Some of the changes they've made recently leading up to this were absolutely about the guest experience.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Disstevefan1 said:
The priority is MONEY and if the side effect happens to be a better guest experience, we win too.
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In this case I think the better guest experience results in more money. LL is a paid upgrade. The more guests who like it the more who buy it and the more profits made. If it’s less popular they make less money. So while I agree that the priority is making more money I think in this case that is directly linked to guest experience.

That’s not always the case. For example adding an additional show or more meet and greets may enhance guest experience but wouldn‘t move the needle on profits.
 
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Disstevefan1

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GoofGoof said:
In this case I think the better guest experience results in more money. LL is a paid upgrade. The more guests who like it the more who buy it and the more profits made. If it’s less popular they make less money. So while I agree that the priority is making more money I think in this case that is directly linked to guest experience.
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Well, I sincerely think most guests think they MUST get LL to best use of their time in the park. LL is what LL is, and we use it because we must in my opinion.
GoofGoof said:
That’s not always the case. For example adding an additional show or more meet and greets may enhance guest experience but wouldn‘t move the needle on profits.
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I have no specific numbers to back this up, but at this point because of previous cuts they made, any addition of shows or meet and greets today is working toward getting BACK to what we had pre pandemic, no additional ones.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Disstevefan1 said:
Well, I sincerely think most guests think they MUST get LL to best use of their time in the park. LL is what LL is, and we use it because we must in my opinion.
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Based on Disney’s own reports only about 1/3 of visitors were using Genie+ so there is quite a bit of room for growth in sales and those sales are pure profit. There’s no extra cost if they sell 1 more unit.
 
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Disstevefan1

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GoofGoof said:
Based on Disney’s own reports only about 1/3 of visitors were using Genie+ so there is quite a bit of room for growth in sales and those sales are pure profit. There’s no extra cost if they sell 1 more unit.
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I gotta dig around for Iger quotes but I really thought it was WAY MORE that 1/3!!!

I thought there was a Iger quote about how hugely successful Genie plus was???
 
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GoofGoof

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So increased to 50% during the peak holiday period which makes sense. That was still 2022 so could have been even higher by 2024 but the point is there was still a large number of people to sell to. This new system was rolled out in the hopes that sales would go even higher. They took away the biggest complaint they had with Genie+ related to 7am booking and no way to plan ahead.
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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Booked my LLMP for our trip that starts next Sat. Was booking for MK and DHS which days 5 and 6 of our trip - got what I wanted and with at least 1 pretty early LL

MK:
Pirates: 9:35
Tiana's: 10:35
Haunted Mansion: 11:35

DHS:
ToT: 9:30
TSM: 10:35
SDD: 11:35

I tried to modify Pirates that be earlier but earliest available now is 9:55. Mansion they have a 9:20 but it won't let me modify to that so guessing can't have overlap before "day of"

Someone wanted me to check for availability sooner in my trip so after booking these I checked for day 2 of my trip (so day after arrival) and at first everything was available but then Tiana's went before I booked it, so tried for BTMRR plus same as above and would have gotten it all with a first LL return time of around noon
 
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DisneyDreamer08

DisneyDreamer08

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TheMaxRebo said:
Booked my LLMP for our trip that starts next Sat. Was booking for MK and DHS which days 5 and 6 of our trip - got what I wanted and with at least 1 pretty early LL

MK:
Pirates: 9:35
Tiana's: 10:35
Haunted Mansion: 11:35

DHS:
ToT: 9:30
TSM: 10:35
SDD: 11:35

I tried to modify Pirates that be earlier but earliest available now is 9:55. Mansion they have a 9:20 but it won't let me modify to that so guessing can't have overlap before "day of"

Someone wanted me to check for availability sooner in my trip so after booking these I checked for day 2 of my trip (so day after arrival) and at first everything was available but then Tiana's went before I booked it, so tried for BTMRR plus same as above and would have gotten it all with a first LL return time of around noon
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Thanks for sharing, did you book your MK day first? I will be booking next Saturday and only booking for MK and DHS. I’m thinking Tiana should be my top priority.
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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DisneyDreamer08 said:
Thanks. We check in on a Saturday and our MK day is Tuesday. Hopefully I’m successful!
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I just check MK for the Tuesday of my trip (our MK day is Wed, checking in Saturday) and everything was available and these are the times I could have gotten. And this is at almost noon so booking for today already open several hour

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