Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

JD80

JD80

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Jrb1979 said:
They thought free dining was going to move the needle too and from what's been said it hasn't.

@PREMiERdrum said it's looking to be one of their worst Independence Day weekends occupancy wise in years.

IMO discounts, bringing back FP+ isn't what's needed. The parks need new attractions if they want to see people come.
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If you've got a large family, Free Dining is fine. But when families are considering the offer, the cost of hotels and tickets vs. the last time they booked free dining is so much higher.

I'd bet that Free Dining got people to call TAs or investigate pricing on their own but maybe not pull the trigger.
 
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Saskdw

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Dranth said:
I get that a lot of people felt that way, but it seems based on a misconception of how G+ worked because in reality it wasn't uncommon to get EVERY headliner in a day. With this you will get one as you have no opportunity to grab a second until you use the first, which in your case will be later in the day when all the inventory is gone.

If that suits your touring style and you are happy with one a day because you can spread them out over a longer vacation great, but it is leaps and bounds worse for the overwhelming number of visitors (at least based on the information we currently have).
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Unless I'm missing something it's only worse for the park commandoes who want to get 15 LL's a day.

For those who get up early couldn't you book your 3 for early morning and still have no problem getting another 3 or 4 as the day goes on?
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
UK Disney said:
Good news hopefully, fingers crossed.
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I doubt it.


Scott Gustin is a 100% reliable source.

It’s a 🤬 disgrace. It should at least be bookable by phone.

Disney are the only company I’ve come across who just can’t be assed to comply with the GDPR and other requirements for accepting payments from the EU. The Smithsonian, Universal, KSC and hundreds of smalller companies manage it.

The ultimate irony is we’re not in the EU! But the UK have kept those laws.

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
 
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Saskdw

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JD80 said:
If you've got a large family, Free Dining is fine. But when families are considering the offer, the cost of hotels and tickets vs. the last time they booked free dining is so much higher.

I'd bet that Free Dining got people to call TAs or investigate pricing on their own but maybe not pull the trigger.
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I also think trying to pass of QS dining as free dining was an issue. There's no value there. It needs to be full free dining.
Most people going for a week or two aren't going to eat chicken fingers and fries for two weeks. And to pay to upgrade to real dining plan took all the value completely out of it.
 
Tha Realest

Tha Realest

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Jrb1979 said:
They thought free dining was going to move the needle too and from what's been said it hasn't.

@PREMiERdrum said it's looking to be one of their worst Independence Day weekends occupancy wise in years.

IMO discounts, bringing back FP+ isn't what's needed. The parks need new attractions if they want to see people come.
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they want to “move the needle” but sadly for them, the marks - sorry, customers - increasingly see through that these discounts and offers are just a shell game that shifts spending from one bucket to another.
 
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billem

Member
Saskdw said:
7am was part of it.

But a big red flag for us was booking a $15k vacation and have no guarantees we would get to ride the headliners. With FP+ we knew we had all the headliners booked 60 days before we left home.
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Unless you are staying for a very long time, there was no way that you could book every top attraction because of the tiers. You could only guarantee one of the top tier attractions at any given park.

I can't remember exactly how many things were in the tiers with old FP+, but if you look at the tiers now, you would have to stay 12 days to guarantee you got all of the tier 1 attractions at the tiered parks (5 for MK, 3 for EP, 4 for HS). We usually go for 5 days, so we are not going to be guaranteed to ride 7 of those attractions.
 
nickys

nickys

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UK Disney

Active Member
nickys said:
I doubt it.


Scott Gustin is a 100% reliable source.

It’s a 🤬 disgrace. It should at least be bookable by phone.

Disney are the only company I’ve come across who just can’t be assed to comply with the GDPR and other requirements for accepting payments from the EU. The Smithsonian, Universal, KSC and hundreds of smalller companies manage it.

The ultimate irony is we’re not in the EU! But the UK have kept those laws.

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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This is a deal breaker for us if we can't get round it by using the VPN. I actually think it's farcical.
 
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Saskdw

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wdwmagic said:

Disney World Lightning Lane Passes Will Only Be Available for Purchase in the United States​

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Disney World Lightning Lane Passes Will Only Be Available for Purchase in the United States

Disney World Lightning Lane Passes Will Only Be Available for Purchase in the United States
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This absolutely baffles me if it includes Canada.

I guess we won't be considering a return to WDW after all.

All the other functions of the app work fine from Canada. This makes no sense.

Last time we went to Disney was 2016 and we didn't use the app. FP+ selections were made through the website with no issues.
 
Dranth

Dranth

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Saskdw said:
Unless I'm missing something it's only worse for the park commandoes who want to get 15 LL's a day.
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No, this makes it easier for them unless I am missing something.

Saskdw said:
For those who get up early couldn't you book your 3 for early morning and still have no problem getting another 3 or 4 as the day goes on?
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The new system should work great for anyone who goes to the parks early because you prebook your three and as soon as you use the first one, you can get a 4th, once you use your next, get a 5th and so on.

Those of us who come later in the day will now ONLY be able to add another ride once we use our first selection. Say that is at 4:00pm, you are now dealing with a whole park full of people with 3 active constantly updating selections plus any remaining prebooks for later in the day. That means a WHOLE lot more inventory has been eaten up before you even get a second chance at a T1 ride.

Under G+ I was reserving my second headliner 2 hours after park opening and, if needed, moving times to later in the day on my selections while eating a late breakfast. There was no stress on missing anything. Frankly it was hard to miss the headliners outside of a few specific one offs (like SDD).
 
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billem

Member
nickys said:
You obviously didn't realise there was a button that said “show me more times” and it would give you every available time slot in 5 minute intervals for the rest of the day. ☹️
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I said "my recollection". If I can micromanage down to the minute, then I will just re-state that I will find it less objectionable. I still strongly prefer not having to plan out the minutia of a day at Disney weeks in advance, without have any context of what the crowds are actually like, and what attractions are popular that week. Other people can disagree, I just strongly disliked this system when it was free and doubt I am going to like it more now that I have to pay for it.
 
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Saskdw

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billem said:
Unless you are staying for a very long time, there was no way that you could book every top attraction because of the tiers. You could only guarantee one of the top tier attractions at any given park.

I can't remember exactly how many things were in the tiers with old FP+, but if you look at the tiers now, you would have to stay 12 days to guarantee you got all of the tier 1 attractions at the tiered parks (5 for MK, 3 for EP, 4 for HS). We usually go for 5 days, so we are not going to be guaranteed to ride 7 of those attractions.
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We stay for 14 days every trip.
 
JD80

JD80

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Dranth said:
I get that a lot of people felt that way, but it seems based on a misconception of how G+ worked because in reality it wasn't uncommon to get EVERY headliner in a day. With this you will get one as you have no opportunity to grab a second until you use the first, which in your case will be later in the day when all the inventory is gone.

If that suits your touring style and you are happy with one a day because you can spread them out over a longer vacation great, but it is leaps and bounds worse for the overwhelming number of visitors (at least based on the information we currently have).
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You can get a second headliner as soon as you use any of your LL. So if you are gunning for a second T1 attraction, then book a LL for when you plan to enter the park. Assuming availability you could get your second one at 9AM which is at least 2 hours earlier than G+.
 
wedenterprises

wedenterprises

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wdwmagic said:

Disney World Lightning Lane Passes Will Only Be Available for Purchase in the United States​

www.wdwmagic.com

Disney World Lightning Lane Passes Will Only Be Available for Purchase in the United States

Disney World Lightning Lane Passes Will Only Be Available for Purchase in the United States
www.wdwmagic.com www.wdwmagic.com
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What a kick in the groin. Honestly that's a dealbreaker for me as I'm an international guest customer. We've waited so long for the pre-booking change and now we can't even use it? And of course the bury this key information.

The people who pay the most, travel the farthest, buy DVC, stay on property, can't even use this?! Why?!

We were on the fence about being done with WDW altogether on our last trip so we skipped WDW for a year and did some other Disney destinations instead, but now I'm really torn about ever going back.

I love the place, but the people that run it are completely clueless. They don't care about their guests at all.
 
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