LittleBuford
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I preferred FP+. The thing I most dislike about Genie+ is the way your selected time is prone to change once confirmed, sometimes by quite a bit. That shouldn’t happen (it never happened with FP+).
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Vegas Disney Fan
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I think the difference is most the extra work used to be done ahead of time, now it’s done while you’re on vacation.
It’s like laundry, I could do it before the trip or on the trip, either way the chore needs to be done but I’d much rather do it at home rather than at the parks when I’m trying to have fun.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Oh I know they’re waiting, it’s just ironic the G+ people are now waiting too, Disney is selling so many G+ it’s essentially become the standby line, and the standby line has become the standby standby line. They went from a system that created a short wait and a long wait and replaced it with a system that creates a long wait and an even longer wait, and we get to pay extra for that privilege.
The short long line option doesn’t exist anymore, and if you have a disability that prevents you from standing in a long line you’re now just out of luck, you stand in the 20-30 minute G+ line with everyone else or you don’t ride.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
Are they, though? Routinely, I mean. Several of us here have noted that that hasn’t been our experience at all.
Disstevefan1
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@lentesta will give us the REAL data on Genie+ and ILL wait times.
I am really interested in the ILL times.
It’s one thing to throw away money on Genie+, it’s another to pay to ride an attraction once and have to wait an unreasonable amount of time.
I am being kind saying a reasonable amount of time for ILL as my expectation would to be able to walk on the attraction but I know that only happens when paying the really big bucks for the official Disney tour guides.
I am really interested in the ILL times.
It’s one thing to throw away money on Genie+, it’s another to pay to ride an attraction once and have to wait an unreasonable amount of time.
I am being kind saying a reasonable amount of time for ILL as my expectation would to be able to walk on the attraction but I know that only happens when paying the really big bucks for the official Disney tour guides.
nickys
Premium Member
VIP tours no longer offer front of line access. You have to wait in the ILL or G+ line.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
Which is revealing. If the G+ queues really did involve long waits, Disney surely wouldn’t make VIP guests use them.
SingleRider
Premium Member
Not necessarily. I’ve seen guides cut the LL line as well, especially at Soarin. They just walk the empty queue to the left hand side of the LL, then walk down the empty side going to their theater as well.
I don’t see how any of that is unreasonable you have to do similar things to get accommodations for planes or sporting events. Is it less convenient than what Disney does now? Yes but unfortunately human beings suck.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
Soarin’ is the one attraction that, in my experience, really can routinely involve a long wait even with queue-skipping. It was that way with FP+ too.
Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
I personally loved FP+ i had much success using it with my pre booked attractions and day of as well. Dining was more of an issue because we always eat character meals and even that as painful as it was things always opened up as we got closer to the trip for the meals that were not “ideal” No matter what system they come up with there will be lines there will be people complaining etc. until capacity is added and not replaced this will continue to be an issue
Wendy Pleakley
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I think the general reason for the rules as they are, is that people shouldn't have to jump through hoops in general to receive a necessary accommodation.
99% of the time, this is fine, because there's no advantage to it. If someone needs help getting an item from a tall shelf in a grocery store for example, they don't need a doctor's note but it's going to take them longer to shop because they need to wait on getting help. There's no advantage to lying about having a disability in these day to day situations.
Theme parks, are the rare exception to this rule. Disability supports have a benefit of shorter wait times and avoiding paying for Genie.
So what do you do? Requiring a doctor's note to weed out the cheaters sounds good in theory, until someone with a legitimate need cannot access necessary supports because they didn't bring their medical documentation with them.
Disney over the years actually did a good job of levelling the playing field. By changing front of the line access to a time based return system, DAS provided support without being disproportionally advantageous.
Disney could eliminate paid Fastpass, again making the systems more comparable. Seems unlikely. They could request documentation. This could be achieved by tying it to the ticket buying process. Just like you can't buy a ticket without including a date reservation, there could be two clear options to choose from - no accommodation necessary or a clear guideline that documentation is needed.
Generally, I'd like to see a system that give people with a disability some advantage. Someone with mobility issues, for example, will find it harder to rope drop or will take longer to get around. Everyday things like using the restroom will take longer. By all means, let those people spend less time in queues.
The challenge is doing that without running afoul of ADA laws and stopping cheaters from abusing the system.
Disstevefan1
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Oh boy! THAT is a RIP OFF then!
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
For DAS at WDW they will not even look at your documentation. The decision is made at the whim of the random cast member on duty. Very bad.
Well, when there is an unfortunate event in one of their 120 minute queues, maybe they will change their policy.
nickys
Premium Member
There will be a few exceptions but generally the guide drops you at the G+ or ILL entrance and waits for you.
It’s definitely a significant downgrade on what it used to be.
SingleRider
Premium Member
How does that work for rides where you have to scan a second time if they just drop you at the entrance?
nickys
Premium Member
I haven’t done one but know several people who do. Pretty sure they said the guide scans them in. I can ask though.
Vegas Disney Fan
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The US parks one size fits all approach is an interesting choice also, at Paris they offer different cards with different “perks” (for lack of a better term) based on ability, they‘ve also tightened their standards and it’s very specific what does, and doesn’t, qualify now, our first 3 trips we got the card (with doctors note) but this year they said the medical condition didn‘t meet the newer requirements and we were denied.
Despite being denied I still feel Paris has a better process, they even have a webpage specifically explaining the program, we just didn’t check it since we’d used the system a few years ago without issue.
Despite being denied I still feel Paris has a better process, they even have a webpage specifically explaining the program, we just didn’t check it since we’d used the system a few years ago without issue.
nickys
Premium Member
Over here in the U.K. and Europe the laws are different though. Generally you have to prove your disability or condition. The website is actually very detailed about what proof you need, depending on which type of pass you qualify for and where you are from.
And the two types of passes give different accommodations in the parks.
This is the overview.
What is a Priority Card and am I eligible?
A Priority Card gives priority (but non-immediate) access to attractions, shows, parades, Selfie spots, restaurant and shop checkouts. With an official document proving disability accepted by Disneyland Paris, you and an accompanying person are also entitled to a 25% discount on your Park Ticket or Disneyland Pass.Request your Priority Card upon arrival, or save time by requesting your card online up to 1 month before your visit! You'll need to present an original document issued by the government or medical authority upon arrival in order to collect it. Please note, a medical certificate will not be sufficient.
What is an Easy Access Card and am I eligible?
If you have a recognised Long Term Chronic Disease, we can support you with simplified (but non-immediate) access to our attractions. Present your Easy Access Card and 'appointment book' at an attraction, and we'll give you a timeslot during which to come back and ride. You can make a 2nd reservation when the 1st is over.To get your easy Access Card on your arrival day, you’ll need an original certificate In French or English. It must be dated no more than three months previously and signed by a medical doctor stating that you’re affected by one of the 30 long term chronic diseases, without any indication of the disease concerned. You can find the list of Long Term Chronic Diseases here.
nickys
Premium Member
To follow up.
Whether guides ride with you or not depends on the guide, whether you ask them to get drinks or snacks for you etc.
As for tapping in twice, it just “happens” - you just tap in and go through. The guide must be able to approve you through both.