Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

JD80

JD80

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HauntedPirate said:
Fair point. I'm always taking the approach these days that any "deal" Disney offers is tilted in their favor and that you will ultimately not save any money regardless of the incentive offered. Because TDO needs that revenue.
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It's always tilted in Disney's favor though, it always has been. For the last decade at least if you booked 1 year out the rack rate would almost be the same if not slightly better than booking 3 months prior with a 20% discount.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
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JD80 said:
It's always tilted in Disney's favor though, it always has been. For the last decade at least if you booked 1 year out the rack rate would almost be the same if not slightly better than booking 3 months prior with a 20% discount.
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There's a reason I haven't personally stayed in a cash room since 2007. ;) My wife has done a small number of cash rooms in the past decade (thinking 3 off the top of my head) and usually only when the deal was good enough for when she wanted to go (and we were out of DVC points).
 
JD80

JD80

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HauntedPirate said:
There's a reason I haven't personally stayed in a cash room since 2007. ;) My wife has done a small number of cash rooms in the past decade (thinking 3 off the top of my head) and usually only when the deal was good enough for when she wanted to go (and we were out of DVC points).
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I would have invested in DVC or rented points but with a larger family I can see stay on property cheaper with cash rooms. Deluxe hotels are really not built for families of 5.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

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drew81 said:
When does Genie get to $50 a day?
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Honestly? I don't think they'll test those waters this week. Christmas weekend and/or the weekend before New Years? All bets are off. Seems like as good a time as any to rob fleece test the limits because "it's the busiest week of the year".
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
HauntedPirate said:
Honestly? I don't think they'll test those waters this week. Christmas weekend and/or the weekend before New Years? All bets are off. Seems like as good a time as any to rob fleece test the limits because "it's the busiest week of the year".
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Too much
Too hard
Too fast


Remember: bookings are still in the toilet…
I heard today they’re getting worse…

They don’t need any more bad juju

But that doesn’t rule out stupidity…no, sir 🤪
 
Dranth

Dranth

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_caleb said:
What about resort parking fees? Was cancelling that “successful revenue stream” “borderline corporate malfeasance?” Was there a lot of howling from Wall Street about that?
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Time and place matter for something like this.

Back when they announced they were dropping parking fees, investors were still high on Iger being back and the stock was climbing. Had they waited and tried to drop parking today they would likely take a small hit as investors are in a different place with the company.

Dropping G+ on the other hand would be a big problem anytime because it brings in significantly more than something like resort parking ever could. Think maybe two to three hundred thousand a day on average for parking vs. one to two million plus a day for G+/ILL.
 
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TQQQ

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Jrb1979 said:
We don't know how much is changing. My guess is you will get to book your first one each day in advance.

As far as Genie+ goes, first the price never bothered me as I'm used to paying for things like it. Second other than the 7am thing, Genie+ was a step in the right direction in getting rid of the amount of planning needed.
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The reason they are changing it is because people WANT to book in advance. Read the WDW press release.

This is why MaxPass stinks, no pre planning and finally they realized that it doesn’t work in WDW and that they were wrong

People want to know they can get on their top selections if they are paying a small fortune for their WDW hotel rooms. They hate being on their phone all day. They hate not being able to select return times (because the vast majority of people don’t tour the parks in the am and genie+ is biased to the rope droppers)

Waking up at 7am every day of vacation BLOWS. Waking up once at 7am well before you get there is 100x better. That’s what people want and that’s what they finally realized and why they are changing it, after only about 1 year.

My guess is all resort guests will get their first selection sometime in advance for the length of their stay and deluxe guests will also get to buy 2 ILLs.

“We have heard from guests that they would like ways to plan with Disney Genie+ service and individual Lightning Lane selections before the day of their park visit, and we want you to know we are working on ways guests may do this for visits in 2024. Our goal is to give you the opportunity to spend less time planning in the park and more time enjoying your visit with friends and family”
 
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TQQQ

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Chip Chipperson said:
I agree that tiers would be awful, especially if ILLs remain. To me, the best compromise between what was and what we have now would be 1 pre-book per day for the length of your stay (for resort guests) and the rest of your selections are done day-of. If they allow 3 pre-booked attractions per day with tiers then it limits the usefulness for users while also hindering day-of sales, so it would be a lose-lose situation. Any limit of how many "Tier 1" rides you can book is a regression. At least when that was in place with FP+, it was free. Charging for it - and effectively removing one of the only good things about G+ - is an inferior product to both FP+ and G+.
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There’s ZERO chance they bring back tiers.

ZERO
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
TQQQ said:
The reason they are changing it is because people WANT to book in advance. Read the WDW press release.

This is why MaxPass stinks, no pre planning and finally they realized that it doesn’t work in WDW and that they were wrong

People want to know they can get on their top selections if they are paying a small fortune for their WDW hotel rooms. They hate being on their phone all day. They hate not being able to select return times (because the vast majority of people don’t tour the parks in the am and genie+ is biased to the rope droppers)

Waking up at 7am every day of vacation BLOWS. Waking up once at 7am well before you get there is 100x better. That’s what people want and that’s what they finally realized and why they are changing it, after only about 1 year.

My guess is all resort guests will get their first selection sometime in advance for the length of their stay and deluxe guests will also get to buy 2 ILLs.

“We have heard from guests that they would like ways to plan with Disney Genie+ service and individual Lightning Lane selections before the day of their park visit, and we want you to know we are working on ways guests may do this for visits in 2024. Our goal is to give you the opportunity to spend less time planning in the park and more time enjoying your visit with friends and family”
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You completely bypassed why prebooking is a problem…other than that…good rant 👏
 
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TQQQ

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TQQQ said:
Pre booking isn’t a problem.

It’s the solution.

And that’s why it’s changing back to what it was and away from the crap it is now
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Day of booking is the problem. Being on your phone for hours on end in the parks after being up beofre 7am isn’t what people want.

Obviously.

That’s why it’s changing.
 
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James Alucobond

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TQQQ said:
Pre booking is a problem for you obviously

Not for the vast majority. Sorry. Get over it.
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Pre-booking is a problem. That certain people got used to it and liked to exploit it does not make it less of a problem. It in no way relates to how the parks are supposed to be experienced, and it takes a ton of ride availability out of the system far in advance, making it impossible to react organically to day-to-day circumstances. It also creates a multi-car pileup whenever a ride goes down, and recovery from poor planning due to understandable ignorance is impossible once your trip rolls around. It is a major part of the complexity problem plaguing a Disney vacation.
 

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