Lets talk water parks and their future

[monothingie]

That's an awesome story, if it were true. The truth is, it isn't zoned for wetlands. So there's that.

Note: this map is prior to the 3k acre purchase of additional wetlands and redistribution. So there's actually less conservation land on this map than it shows.

It's ok to be wrong on the internet. It really is.

You try so hard, and I commend you for it, but that is a land use map. It only reflects what each area zoned as or in some cases due to the aforementioned "land swaps" reserved for.

I would encourage that before you comment to become better familiar with what you're talking about. There is a convenient interactive development maps available which can be found using a quick google search that assist you further. I would recommend the map from the USFWS which is particularly detailed look at the various wetland parcels at WDW. I hope this can improve your understanding of land use and development further. If you would like any further information, you can always PM me.

Thanks!

https://www.fws.gov/wetlands/data/mapper.HTML

 

[flynnibus]

You try so hard, and I commend you for it, but that is a land use map. It only reflects what each area zoned as or in some cases due to the aforementioned "land swaps" reserved for.

Correct.. but pointlessly correct. It shows the planning within the region. Wouldn't it be useless to define the planning use for a region to be something that was impossible due to underlying constraints? You discount it because it doesn't show protected wetlands.. but the planning already takes that into account.. else they are morons.

I would encourage that before you comment to become better familiar with what you're talking about. There is a convenient interactive development maps available which can be found using a quick google search that assist you further. I would recommend the map from the USFWS which is particularly detailed look at the various wetland parcels at WDW. I hope this can improve your understanding of land use and development further. If you would like any further information, you can always PM me.

You should drop the passive aggressive schtick. Plus, the stuff you linked doesn't really say what you used try to prove. Those maps show what are wetlands as biologically defined and tracked by the relevant agencies.. it does NOT mean those areas in green are necessarily offlimits or unusable. The maps are very clear about that.

Second, what @andysol highlighted was TL wasn't surrounded by wetlands and there are immediate areas around it that were not off-limits.. which your map also confirms, even by your over-generalized 'wetland = offlimit' application

 

[rael ramone]

I've suspected that $DIS hasn't been terribly eager to invest heavily in the water parks since it doesn't have the auxiliary income that the parks get. Table service. Lots of plush to sell in areas frequented by guests (Summit Plummet doesn't end up in a gift shop). Until the mouse arrest bands, guests had to go back to their locker to retrieve currency to buy anything.

It's curious if the new park will have table service, and how it will work with wet guests...

 

[Pi on my Cake]

I've suspected that $DIS hasn't been terribly eager to invest heavily in the water parks since it doesn't have the auxiliary income that the parks get. Table service. Lots of plush to sell in areas frequented by guests (Summit Plummet doesn't end up in a gift shop). Until the mouse arrest bands, guests had to go back to their locker to retrieve currency to buy anything.

It's curious if the new park will have table service, and how it will work with wet guests...

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't want to be in a sit down restaurant eating a good meal while I'm cold, wet, wearing a bathing suit, and covered in sun block. I can't see myself ever eating more than a quick hot dog or sandwich or whatever in a water park. I also can't see myself ever wanting to spend more than a "half day" at a water park. 10-4 is about what I'd call my limit in a water park if im really enjoying it with my family or friends. And that would involve at least like 2 hours just chilling out in a lazy river. I can't see a water park ever realistically being treated as a third full day park for universal despite their marketing.

 

[*Q*]

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Please show me where you'd like TL and BB to expand to? They look pretty locked in there don't they. If you had read my post in context, you would have realized that I was referring to their water park. But you were a bit too quick to jump on your soap box.

 

[Next Big Thing]

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't want to be in a sit down restaurant eating a good meal while I'm cold, wet, wearing a bathing suit, and covered in sun block. I can't see myself ever eating more than a quick hot dog or sandwich or whatever in a water park. I also can't see myself ever wanting to spend more than a "half day" at a water park. 10-4 is about what I'd call my limit in a water park if im really enjoying it with my family or friends. And that would involve at least like 2 hours just chilling out in a lazy river. I can't see a water park ever realistically being treated as a third full day park for universal despite their marketing.

From the looks of things, Volcano Bay will have a sit-down restaurant. Or at least a bar and grill with a patio overlooking the Volcano. It will be near the entrance and is actually already built.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

From the looks of things, Volcano Bay will have a sit-down restaurant. Or at least a bar and grill with a patio overlooking the Volcano. It will be near the entrance and is actually already built.

I just dont forsee that being popular. I can't understand why someone would want to eat at a sit down restaurant at a water park. I mean, different people want different things so I'm sure someone wants it, but I imagine I'm not the only person who doesn't considering no water park I've ever been to has more that a quick service type place.

 

[DDLand]

I'm confused, are you trying to prove my point? The Kong entrances look extremely similar- and that's you trying to find one that looks different... and it still doesn't.
The accurate Frozen concept art also came during construction- which is exactly what I said- that concept art during construction (like Uni always does) is accurate because it's further along in the process. Concept art given preplanning and preconstruction (like Disney almost always does) is not accurate.
And Shanghai concept art matching up? Haha. Ok

When I look at Disney concept art, I know it will change every single time if it is given to us pre-construction. New fantasyland, Everest, the list goes on.
When I look at Universal concept art, it is almost a mirror image- what you see is what you'll get, down to the color of the slides.
Again- This isn't me bashing Disney- I'm just saying their concept art is rarely accurate because they release it before construction. If and when they released concept art during construction, it is typically accurate. It's simply a matter of Disney releasing concept art way sooner than Uni. Much like the mostly false perception of Uni building so much faster than Disney is because Uni announces during construction and Disney announces in planning stages. Take off your Mickey ears and be objective please.

Let's keep Shanghai spoilers in the Shanghai spoilers thread. Some of us are going there soon to see those attractions for themselves. Then I'll be able to tell you if it compares.

Though I'd point you in the direction of concept art of Adventure Isle, Pirate's Cove, and Tomorrowland. Those three were largely built as rendered, though less stylized and less visually stunning than the concept art.

Why?

Because the concept art is a realm where anything can be real. They also are by their nature designed to excite and build expectations. Get people excited and engaged and want to be transported to that place.

This isn't about being objective or Mickey Fanboying. This just the name of the game. I feel like you may have read my post as an attack on Universal and Kong. That's not at all what I'm trying to do. Kong is visually impressive and awesome (not beautiful like Everest, but it's trying to be horrifying like the Kong films so that's not a knock). Believe it or not, I wasn't even trying to find a bad photo. I was just trying to find two that showed the concept 3D render and the actual result. They're both really cool looking, but if you went in expecting that exact concept image you'd be disappointed. Just like you'd be disappointed if you were a expecting an exact manifestation of New Fantasyland.

I just want to ask you whether you've ever seen anything like this in your life?

The structures or scale will largely be accurate, but this is still a heavily stylized version of what's being built along I-4. Not a dig on Universal, don't misunderstand me, but also a valid conclusion for someone to reach.

All without my German Mickey Ears
#classic

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Let's keep Shanghai spoilers in the Shanghai spoilers thread. Some of us are going there soon to see those attractions for themselves. Then I'll be able to tell you if it compares.

Though I'd point you in the direction of concept art of Adventure Isle, Pirate's Cove, and Tomorrowland. Those three were largely built as rendered, though less stylized and less visually stunning than the concept art.

Why?

Because the concept art is a realm where anything can be real. They also are by their nature designed to excite and build expectations. Get people excited and engaged and want to be transported to that place.

This isn't about being objective or Mickey Fanboying. This just the name of the game. I feel like you may have read my post as an attack on Universal and Kong. That's not at all what I'm trying to do. Kong is visually impressive and awesome (not beautiful like Everest, but it's trying to be horrifying like the Kong films so that's not a knock). Believe it or not, I wasn't even trying to find a bad photo. I was just trying to find two that showed the concept 3D render and the actual result. They're both really cool looking, but if you went in expecting that exact concept image you'd be disappointed. Just like you'd be disappointed if you were a expecting an exact manifestation of New Fantasyland.

I just want to ask you whether you've ever seen anything like this in your life?
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The structures or scale will largely be accurate, but this is still a heavily stylized version of what's being built along I-4. Not a dig on Universal, don't misunderstand me, but also a valid conclusion for someone to reach.

All without my German Mickey Ears
#classic

Actually, I think it is pretty much going to look exactly like that.

That's from the Pre-viz.

 

[monothingie]

Correct.. but pointlessly correct. It shows the planning within the region. Wouldn't it be useless to define the planning use for a region to be something that was impossible due to underlying constraints? You discount it because it doesn't show protected wetlands.. but the planning already takes that into account.. else they are morons.



You should drop the passive aggressive schtick. Plus, the stuff you linked doesn't really say what you used try to prove. Those maps show what are wetlands as biologically defined and tracked by the relevant agencies.. it does NOT mean those areas in green are necessarily offlimits or unusable. The maps are very clear about that.

Second, what @andysol highlighted was TL wasn't surrounded by wetlands and there are immediate areas around it that were not off-limits.. which your map also confirms, even by your over-generalized 'wetland = offlimit' application

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But if you actually looked at what was posted you'll see that the area around TL is zoned as adesignated Conservation zone. You really need to get over yourself for a moment. As tough as that is for you and realize you're wrong.

Have a magical day!

 

[flynnibus]

But if you actually looked at what was posted you'll see that the area around TL is zoned as adesignated Conservation zone. You really need to get over yourself for a moment. As tough as that is for you and realize you're wrong.

Have a magical day!

I have.. and by everything I see, I see no wetlands, or conservaton zones surrounding the immediate TL. Since you're such a perky snazzy type.. why don't you point it out to us old dogs?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

There will be a reason to stay at Volcano Bay after dark.

I bet they will be selling "After 4PM" APs.

 

[BrerJon]

I mean, you don't need to be a genius to figure out Typhoon Lagoon's setting and story based on the ravaged buildings and Miss Tilly being perched on a mountaintop. The story is conveyed naturally through the environment and rides, which appears to be lacking in VB.

Typhoon Lagoon's designers made the genius move of planting a few intriguing signs as you drive in that very succinctly explain the backstory, and set the scene for what's to come. The entire park is an example of imagineering excellence and thought, the likes of which we just don't ever get today. With just a few simple plain text signs, the majority of visitors are immediately immersed in the story.

"A Furious Storm once roared 'cross the sea....
Catching ships in in its path, helpless to flee....
Instead of a certain and watery doom...
The winds swept them here to Typhoon Lagoon."

 

[BrerJon]

Maybe, but I'd kind of doubt it. Between the sun and the crowds and the wet shorts, I've never wanted to spend more than half a day at a water park, even when I've been having a good time. At a certain point you're just ready to come out of the pool.

When Typhoon Lagoon first opened, and was open much later into the night than it is now, people would come to the park mid afternoon after a morning at Magic Kingdom or wherever, so they might take an evening swim to relax after a hard days theme parking. That sort of scenario would lend itself well to finishing with a nice meal watching a volcano light show.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

When Typhoon Lagoon first opened, and was open much later into the night than it is now, people would come to the park mid afternoon after a morning at Magic Kingdom or wherever, so they might take an evening swim to relax after a hard days theme parking. That sort of scenario would lend itself well to finishing with a nice meal watching a volcano light show.

Having a nice Rum cocktail while letting the kids go ride slides.

 

[flynnibus]

There will be a reason to stay at Volcano Bay after dark.

I bet they will be selling "After 4PM" APs.

I'd love for the parks to be open later... but I think the hours have been steered directly by visiting patterns. Reality is most still do the 'get there early' and putter out by 2-3pm.

Not sure how much the ticket model helps drives that.. the 'if you don't get there early.. its crowded' thinking.. or the weather.

 

[ford91exploder]

I've suspected that $DIS hasn't been terribly eager to invest heavily in the water parks since it doesn't have the auxiliary income that the parks get. Table service. Lots of plush to sell in areas frequented by guests (Summit Plummet doesn't end up in a gift shop). Until the mouse arrest bands, guests had to go back to their locker to retrieve currency to buy anything.

It's curious if the new park will have table service, and how it will work with wet guests...

Perhaps a set of those giant blowers they use at the car wash blowing warm dry air at the entrance bay.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The Universal theme parks have a habbit of closing at 6:00pm or 7:00pm (IMO to encourage guests to visit CityWalk). I'm not sure if Volcano Bay would be different.

 

[21stamps]

When Typhoon Lagoon first opened, and was open much later into the night than it is now, people would come to the park mid afternoon after a morning at Magic Kingdom or wherever, so they might take an evening swim to relax after a hard days theme parking. That sort of scenario would lend itself well to finishing with a nice meal watching a volcano light show.

A nice outside meal is ok.

I think there's a reason why we don't see sit down inside restaurants in water parks.

 

[21stamps]

There will be a reason to stay at Volcano Bay after dark.

I bet they will be selling "After 4PM" APs.

Is it supposed to be open at night?
I'd rather have the parks open later if they gave me the choice

Anyone know a stat on the percentage of WDW visitors who go to the water parks?