Let's just close WDW since they just can't do anything right anyway

[speck76]

This is from another discussion, but I think it deserves its own....

I have a great idea!!!

Lets just close Walt Disney World altogether. If the cast members don't support the management, the guests no longer Like the parks and the older Disney fans don't want anything changed, then lets just shut the place down. I am sure everyone will be happy to go and visit their local Six-Flags and Paramount parks. Afterall, to listen the folks on these boards, there is no difference between Disney and the other parks anymore.

When Disneyland was built, people's expectations weren't all that high and Disney exceeded them. When the World was built, people's expectations were higher and Disney still exceeded them. Now the expectations are so unrealistically high that no matter what the company does people find something to complain about. So lets just put everyone out of their misery.

I dont like somethings at the parks as much as others but overall its a fun unique place. Not every ride is a success, but trying something different and learning is much better than doing nothing and rotting away like so many amusement parks before it.

 

[speck76]

I could not agree more with you.

Fans/activists (less than 1% of the visitors) are not happy with anything that the company does anymore.

1. They want new and innovative, but complain about attractions such as Mission Space, which is truely groundbreaking and one of a kind.

2. They don't want clones, yet most really want IJA to be built at MGM (So I guess they selectively don't want clones)

3. They blame Eisner for all of the bad things like JIIWF, but yet don't ever mention his name when great attractions/shows are created (Wishes, Philharmagic)

4. They don't understand that WDC is a business that has responsibilities that go beyond "preserving the Disney Magic", like making money for their shareholders......without whom there would be no parks, films, or anything.

5. They complain when WDC wastes money on businesses such as ABC and ABC Family, yet they also don't want the company to be taken over by Comcast, or any other major corporation (people, this is why they grow the company, so that they can NOT be taken over)


UGH......

 

[General Grizz]

Hi, My name is Grizz.

(HI, GRIZZ)

And I am a "fan/activist" that Speck just described.

1. They want new and innovative, but complain about attractions such as Mission Space, which is truely groundbreaking and one of a kind.

I've poked at Mission Space because of its bad show in the queue (speakers/vents) and lack of family fun (see: people sitting in front of pavilion all day). I think that any rehab should be an improvement over its replacement, especially if it is replacing a great attraction. In these two senses, Mission Space could use improvement.

2. They don't want clones, yet most really want IJA to be built at MGM (So I guess they selectively don't want clones)

"They don't want clones." Uhh. . . I wanted Splash Mountain and THAT was a clone. I want Soarin' and THAT'S a clone. If ever I've spoken out against clones, it's in the context that they could be overtaking the progress of new ideas as they are "cheaper" to build (more cookie cutter).

Otherwise, clones should be made fit to whatever park they enter. That's just assumed, isn't it?

3. They blame Eisner for all of the bad things like JIIWF, but yet don't ever mention his name when great attractions/shows are created (Wishes, Philharmagic)

If ever I have "blamed Eisner" for JIIWF, it is in the context that he has set up management in such a way that does not allow great budget to go into attractions. (And this is true on oh, so many levels). Eisner gets credit for setting up the system, but not for what specifically goes on in a certain attraction.

That being said, Wishes and Philharmagic are wicked cool.

4. They don't understand that WDC is a business that has responsibilities that go beyond "preserving the Disney Magic", like making money for their shareholders......without whom there would be no parks, films, or anything.

Nah, they understand. They just see Disney acting in ways they never imagined it could act years ago. . .

Need examples? Ask or search. No need to go into them here.

UGH......

I agree there!

 

[Pixie Duster]

Sorry but... there are a good amount of people here on the site, I mean a good amount, that fit this bill. I am glad some one else said it, but I have been thinking it for months.

I am not saying we should settle for crap, but half the stuff I see some of the folks complaining on here is silly. There are some great things happening out there.
When I see the complaints there are loud and outlandish, then when their issue is settled (let's take Astro Orbiter being rehabbed) it gets a bit of attention, but not near as much as the original complaint.

Let's just try to be a little more positive and stop for a second. Are all these complaints really valid?

 

[Woody13]

I too have a great respect for niteobsrvr and you too speck76. The Disney company adapts to change better than any other company IMO. A broad base keeps them strong and able to grow in the face of their detractors. I'm looking forward to Toy Story 5.

 

[General Grizz]

Sorry but... there are a good amount of people here on the site, I mean a good amount, that fit this bill. I am glad some one else said it, but I have been thinking it for months.

I am not saying we should settle for crap, but half the stuff I see some of the folks complaining on here is silly. There are some great things happening out there.
When I see the complaints there are loud and outlandish, then when their issue is settled (let's take Astro Orbiter being rehabbed) it gets a bit of attention, but not near as much as the original complaint.

Let's just try to be a little more positive and stop for a second. Are all these complaints really valid?

I think people are starting to complain more and more because they see more and more being "lost" from the Disney name. Whether it was the quality of the original "Imagination" ride, the talented actors of "The Diamond Horseshoe," or the soon to be layed-off artists (and already lost animators) at the Magic of Disney Animation, a general sense of disgust at management decisions arises.

Then, when other things pop up (news that SE could lose its animatronics or such and such is being ripped out or Carousel of Progress closing), they don't take these events individually. Rather, they relate them back to the original emotions felt from previous changes that the majority of guests have generally seen as negative.

The difference here is that this emotion is put into the detail (i.e. Astro Orbiter's planets spinning). Individually, this is nothing. However, when added with a lot of the other magic (detail) being removed, it becomes part of a larger story, and that larger story is being posted here with the emotion of all other disappointments in the past. In this sense a lot becomes "tainted" as many people see Disney as a "greedy" company with factors other than complete guest satisfaction in its attempt to create a brand new experience for its guests.

That's my guess, at least.

 

[speck76]

Hi, My name is Grizz.

(HI, GRIZZ)

And I am a "fan/activist" that Speck just described.



I've poked at Mission Space because of its bad show in the queue (speakers/vents) and lack of family fun (see: people sitting in front of pavilion all day). I think that any rehab should be an improvement over its replacement, especially if it is replacing a great attraction. In these two senses, Mission Space could use improvement.



"They don't want clones." Uhh. . . I wanted Splash Mountain and THAT was a clone. I want Soarin' and THAT'S a clone. If ever I've spoken out against clones, it's in the context that they could be overtaking the progress of new ideas as they are "cheaper" to build (more cookie cutter).

Otherwise, clones should be made fit to whatever park they enter. That's just assumed, isn't it?



If ever I have "blamed Eisner" for JIIWF, it is in the context that he has set up management in such a way that does not allow great budget to go into attractions. (And this is true on oh, so many levels). Eisner gets credit for setting up the system, but not for what specifically goes on in a certain attraction.

That being said, Wishes and Philharmagic are wicked cool.



Nah, they understand. They just see Disney acting in ways they never imagined it could act years ago. . .

Need examples? Ask or search. No need to go into them here.



I agree there!

Unfortunately Grizz, people listen to you, but I don't think they really understand you. There are many people who believe you are stuck in 1985....and at the same time, there are many more people (esp the younger members, that probably only understand about 5% of what you type........

Yes, you have, time and time again, blamed the "system" that Eisner has set up......but to another member, what they read is "Eisner is the one and one one that is making crappy attractions"

 

[General Grizz]

Unfortunately Grizz, people listen to you, but I don't think they really understand you. There are many people who believe you are stuck in 1985....and at the same time, there are many more people (esp the younger members, that probably only understand about 5% of what you type........

Yes, you have, time and time again, blamed the "system" that Eisner has set up......but to another member, what they read is "Eisner is the one and one one that is making crappy attractions"

In that case, I hope they read this post. And just for safes, I will be sure to make myself clear.

(I HOPE I'm not stuck in 1985. Turtle Talk with Crush was amazing. )

 

[Pixie Duster]

There are some things that bother me, and our loyal fans have every right to voice their opinions. It's just some things I feel are mole hills being made moutains. But to me Disney is most definately still Disney and it is still just as magical, and I see it everyday. I work there and I see the really bad stuff too, but I still love it and I refuse to become jaded.

Btw, CoP was suppose to close with SGE opening, but it is still alive and well. I really think it is going to stick around.

 

[General Grizz]

There are some things that bother me, and our loyal fans have every right to voice their opinions. It's just some things I feel are mole hills being made moutains. But to me Disney is most definately still Disney and it is still just as magical, and I see it everyday. I work there and I see the really bad stuff too, but I still love it and I refuse to become jaded.

Btw, CoP was suppose to close with SGE opening, but it is still alive and well. I really think it is going to stick around.

Awesome, that's great news. I know there is a difference between mole hills made mountains, but I hope my previous point clarified a bit my emotion in regard to that. (The devil is in the details!)

I can tell you that when I'm in the parks, I probably appear to be exactly the opposite as I appear sometimes on these forums. There's nothing like going to "the most magical place on earth."

Oh, and thanks for keeping that attitude as a Cast Member. Walt would be proud.

 

[NADisney]

I'm a Shareholder , and where is this money that I'm supposed to be making from Disney .It's in Eisner's pocket ,we got a check for .12 cents for a year of %$&*@!@# from Disney and Thats Why We Voted for him and other board members to be ousted of there seats in march.

Why spend $ 20 million dollars on a movie that is going to flop when thye could spend that same amout keeping the parks in good shape or restoring an attraction or building a new attraction . ONLY after he got fired from his job did Disneyland Finally get repainted,show and attractions where being fixed- Eisner will claim he did it for the 50th anniversary or to show the sharholders at the next meeting that he has a heart and can run the company .

Prices are still going up ,merchandise and food is no good,creativity is out the door ,money is still going into Eisners pocket and the disney guest is trying to remember when Walt was alive and what he would have done .

 

[speck76]

I'm a Shareholder , and where is this money that I'm supposed to be making from Disney .It's in Eisner's pocket ,we got a check for .12 cents for a year of %$&*@!@# from Disney and Thats Why We Voted for him and other board members to be ousted of there seats in march.

Why spend $ 20 million dollars on a movie that is going to flop when thye could spend that same amout keeping the parks in good shape or restoring an attraction or building a new attraction . ONLY after he got fired from his job did Disneyland Finally get repainted,show and attractions where being fixed- Eisner will claim he did it for the 50th anniversary or to show the sharholders at the next meeting that he has a heart and can run the company .

Prices are still going up ,merchandise and food is no good,creativity is out the door ,money is still going into Eisners pocket and the disney guest is trying to remember when Walt was alive and what he would have done .

Ahh.....another point to clarify.....as an individual shareholder (my guess isthat you have less than 100 shares)....you don't really mean a whole lot....sorry....it is true.

The vast majority (about 70%) of WDC stock is owned by banks and brokerage firms....not by "people".....the banks matter....they want a solid return and a good stock price....they have responsibilities too......us.....the individual shareholder....we really don't matter.

 

[Pixie Duster]

Food and merchandise no good? That's news to me.
Anywho, I need everyone to stop for one second.
After 9/11 the budget was cut to the size of a pea. And because of that the little details started to diminish. Now attendance is climbing up. And if you could stop for a second and look around things are getting better. Now we as adults know things cannot be fixed immediately. It will take YEARS for it all to be the way it was in the 1990's. But if you stop and look at all the work that is being done you would see that things are being improved. It is just a matter of time.
Again Disney is NOT perfect, it never was and it never will be. There are somethings that are downright embarassing (i.e. the animator situation), but festering on all the bad things is not healthy.

 

[Pixie Duster]

Ahh.....another point to clarify.....as an individual shareholder (my guess isthat you have less than 100 shares)....you don't really mean a whole lot....sorry....it is true.

The vast majority (about 70%) of WDC stock is owned by banks and brokerage firms....not by "people".....the banks matter....they want a solid return and a good stock price....they have responsibilities too......us.....the individual shareholder....we really don't matter.

And let me clarify, individual stockholders do not matter that much in ANY coorporation. And it's not that they don't matter, it's just they do not contribute as many ingredients therefore are not entitled to a big chunk of the pie.

 

[NADisney]

Actully I have more then a 100 shares even though we do get discounts on disney resort hotel rates.But if the company did not care about me or others who have less shares then they need to stop bugging us for surveys and voting rights .

Next years ballot will have the (?), Should a Disney be on the disney board ,the board says Vote NO and I say YES, for it is the Disney company not the Eisner an his Board company .

 

[General Grizz]

Food and merchandise no good? That's news to me.
Anywho, I need everyone to stop for one second.
After 9/11 the budget was cut to the size of a pea. And because of that the little details started to diminish. Now attendance is climbing up. And if you could stop for a second and look around things are getting better. Now we as adults know things cannot be fixed immediately. It will take YEARS for it all to be the way it was in the 1990's. But if you stop and look at all the work that is being done you would see that things are being improved. It is just a matter of time.
Again Disney is NOT perfect, it never was and it never will be. There are somethings that are downright embarassing (i.e. the animator situation), but festering on all the bad things is not healthy.

VERY good point. My question is, once Disney is back in force, will they company divisions change some of these recent habits? It all relates to management caring, and I think it's pretty interesting to think about.

I also agree with merchandise. I love the new Once Upon a Toy stuff. Too bad I can't afford it. :lol:

 

[Computer Magic]

And it's not that they don't matter, it's just they do not contribute as many ingredients therefore are not entitled to a big chunk of the pie.

I like you wording better

and to an earlier post.

There are some things that bother me, and our loyal fans have every right to voice their opinions. It's just some things I feel are mole hills being made moutains. But to me Disney is most definately still Disney and it is still just as magical, and I see it everyday. I work there and I see the really bad stuff too, but I still love it and I refuse to become jaded.

Btw, CoP was suppose to close with SGE opening, but it is still alive and well. I really think it is going to stick around .

Well stated. Disney is still just as magical. and to what Grizz stated "thanks for keeping that attitude as a Cast Member. Walt would be proud." Walt would be proud of all the CM I have meet on this boards.

 

[Woody13]

I'm a Shareholder , and where is this money that I'm supposed to be making from Disney .It's in Eisner's pocket ,we got a check for .12 cents for a year of %$&*@!@# from Disney and Thats Why We Voted for him and other board members to be ousted of there seats in march.

Well, last year (2003) you got a dividend of $0.20 per share and you got the same amount in 2002. This year (2004) you are going to get a dividend of $0.24 per share and that is a very good dividend increase!

Therefore your $0.12 check must have come from another investment (perhaps the Looney Tunes division of Warner Bros.).

 

[Woody13]

Actully I have more then a 100 shares even though we do get discounts on disney resort hotel rates.But if the company did not care about me or others who have less shares then they need to stop bugging us for surveys and voting rights .

Next years ballot will have the (?), Should a Disney be on the disney board ,the board says Vote NO and I say YES, for it is the Disney company not the Eisner an his Board company .

Shareholders do not get resort discounts! It's illegal!

 

[speck76]

Actully I have more then a 100 shares even though we do get discounts on disney resort hotel rates.But if the company did not care about me or others who have less shares then they need to stop bugging us for surveys and voting rights .

Next years ballot will have the (?), Should a Disney be on the disney board ,the board says Vote NO and I say YES, for it is the Disney company not the Eisner an his Board company .

The SEC requires them to send you a proxy....they don't send it to you just to be nice.