Let me ask a question... Why is Disneyland getting .....

[bjlc57]

Why, why oh why.. is Disneyland getting 20,000 leagues under the sea back, in its original form, and yet they destroyed the one that WDW preserved for 10 years..


This is insane.. why remove something and now rebuild when you could have had it in Florida in a matter of months or less..

or know that you are going to have it at Disney land and Not tear down the other one at WDW..

Is this Eisners last revenge on the fans that turned on him..( deservately so)?


and are they going to just waste this space at WDW? this PRIME AREA IS GOING TO HAVE NOTHING? that doesn't make any sense either..

jomho.

 

[imagineer boy]

Because they have better management over there.

BTW, the sub ride there wasn't themed to 20k.

 

[Enderikari]

Why, why oh why.. is Disneyland getting 20,000 leagues under the sea back, in its original form, and yet they destroyed the one that WDW preserved for 10 years..


This is insane.. why remove something and now rebuild when you could have had it in Florida in a matter of months or less..

or know that you are going to have it at Disney land and Not tear down the other one at WDW..

Is this Eisners last revenge on the fans that turned on him..( deservately so)?


and are they going to just waste this space at WDW? this PRIME AREA IS GOING TO HAVE NOTHING? that doesn't make any sense either..

jomho.

There is so much ignorance in this post, I am just going to sit here in pure astonishment...

 

[darthjohnny]

The ride in Disneyland will not come back in its original form of Submarine Voyage. It will be Finding Nemo themed now.

 

[mousermerf]

*sigh*

While DL's sub ride had submarines and a big lagoon, that's about where the similarities ended. WDW's was themed completely differently, to 20K Leagues while DL's was more scientific, sorta Epcot like. Their is located in Tomorrowland.

The coming new sub ride is based on Fiding Nemo. The DL ride vehicles are being reused after modifications. The WDW vehicles were built to be mini Nautilus' and could not be reused with such a theme. Instead, the Living Seas is getting a variation on the Nemo ride, using the Living Seas massive tanks.

In some ways each version has benenfits over the other. Living Seas has actual sealife, whereas the subs will not. The sub ride will have more show scenes, but the Living Seas is limitted on space. The Living Seas will have a high capacity, the subs are frighteningly low.

 

[marni1971]

In theory, in a decade, we`ll be saying "thank god the got rid of 20k. Disneyland still has those quaint little boats whilst WDW has THIS!"

Merf; at least TLS will finally have some show scenes, huh?! :animwink:

 

[kaos]

Jim Hill sucks....














:drevil:

 

[Connor002]

Well, for one thing, DL has only two parks to worry about...

 

[tigger248]

Why, why oh why.. is Disneyland getting 20,000 leagues under the sea back, in its original form, and yet they destroyed the one that WDW preserved for 10 years..


This is insane.. why remove something and now rebuild when you could have had it in Florida in a matter of months or less..

or know that you are going to have it at Disney land and Not tear down the other one at WDW..

Is this Eisners last revenge on the fans that turned on him..( deservately so)?


and are they going to just waste this space at WDW? this PRIME AREA IS GOING TO HAVE NOTHING? that doesn't make any sense either..

jomho.

Actually, WDW's 20K Leagues ride would have needed a major refurb to reopen too.

From what I understand, WDW's lagoon had leaks that needed repair, show scenes that were falling apart from lack of care, subs that had been rotting in a field so long that they were no longer usable, etc. Anytime an attraction sits dormant for that long, it would need some major work before it could be considered for reopening. Disneyland's lagoon may have been in better condition compared to WDW's.

Plus, WDW's lagoon was/is in a better positon for future land development. The playground, supposedly (from what I've heard) is a temporary fix until something bigger is built. Disneyland's lagoon is situated a bit differently and would be much more difficult to build a future attraction on. Then there's the space limitations at Disneyland...

From an imagineering standpoint, it made much more sense to reopen Disneyland's than it did to do so with WDW's. Plus, Disneyland's will be Nemo themed, not exactly 20K Leagues.

 

[Connor002]

Plus, WDW's lagoon was/is in a better positon for future land development. The playground, supposedly (from what I've heard) is a temporary fix until something bigger is built. Disneyland's lagoon is situated a bit differently and would be much more difficult to build a future attraction on. Then there's the space limitations at Disneyland...

The show building for DL's subs is actually under the autopia.
So yes, one might say it would be more difficult to build there.

 

[raven]

Nemo, Nemo, Nemo. It's all Nemo over in DL around that lagoon. All of the construction walls have giant adverts about it being a huge NEMO attraction. So nothing to worry about.

 

[tirian]

DL also needed those subs to please the thousands of APs that make up its attendance. WDW could justifiably close the lagoon since the majority of MK Guests are tourists; one day, they will add at least one huge attraction or a couple of smaller ones here.

In theory, in a decade, we`ll be saying "thank god the got rid of 20k. Disneyland still has those quaint little boats whilst WDW has THIS!"

Merf; at least TLS will finally have some show scenes, huh?! :animwink:

Marni's right. Several E-tickets have been proposed for this land; and although nothing has been constructed yet, the decision has been made that the old site will feature an E-ticket attraction.

Also, the new Nemo ride will combine dark ride show scenes with the old Sea Cab area.

 

[Dj Corona]

Simply put...DL to WDW = apples to oranges. Plus, what everyone else has stated.

 

[KentB3]

Actually, WDW's 20K Leagues ride would have needed a major refurb to reopen too.

From what I understand, WDW's lagoon had leaks that needed repair, show scenes that were falling apart from lack of care, subs that had been rotting in a field so long that they were no longer usable, etc. Anytime an attraction sits dormant for that long, it would need some major work before it could be considered for reopening. Disneyland's lagoon may have been in better condition compared to WDW's.

Disneyland's sub lagoon WAS in fact much better condition that WDW's. Much of this was a result of the power sources behind each parks ride. Disneyland's submarine ride was powered by electricity, whereas WDW's 20K subs were powered by diesel fuel. The use of diesel for the subs greatly added to the erosion of the show building and scenes from the ride. Therefore, this is part of the reason WDW's sub lagoon was demolished and Disneyland still has theirs, since Disneyland's has less erosion due to a different power souce, despite the fact that their ride is 12 years older!

 

[disneydaft]

Disneyland's sub lagoon WAS in fact much better condition that WDW's. Much of this was a result of the power sources behind each parks ride. Disneyland's submarine ride was powered by electricity, whereas WDW's 20K subs were powered by diesel fuel. The use of diesel for the subs greatly added to the erosion of the show building and scenes from the ride. Therefore, this is part of the reason WDW's sub lagoon was demolished and Disneyland still has theirs, since Disneyland's has less erosion due to a different power souce, despite the fact that their ride is 12 years older!

Disneyland's subs used diesel. They have changed to an electrical system for the Nemo upgrade.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well, more like a park and a half a park.

Well, if we are really going to compare park sizes (# of attractions, not acres), we might term it 1½ parks and a ½ a park.

The former 20K has really been discussed to death. I don't think it was that ground-breaking of a ride, anyway. I'd much rather have a big, flashy E-ticket and some other attractions that would fit in that space. Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage looks to be a lot of fun if you can handle the wait time, but as others have said, they don't have as many options for expansion at that area of Disneyland--they'd have to move both the Autopia and the Monorail. Disneyland already has other buildings/areas in Tomorrowland that are ready to be refurbished (if only they'd do it), so there's no real need.

 

[erasure fan1]

I dont think the 20K talk will stop until we get an actual statement on what will fill that spot. I am happy they took it down it was in very sad shape when I rode it just before it closed.

 

[kaos]

I dont think the 20K talk will stop until we get an actual statement on what will fill that spot. I am happy they took it down it was in very sad shape when I rode it just before it closed.

I just wish we would've known in advance... I could've rode it one last time...

Anyway, DL needs something there in a prime spot, and if Nemo has FP, then that would be perfect since the Matterhorn doesn't have FP... And they can't really tear up the show building since the monorail and autopia and half of Tomorrowland sit on top of it...

Wasn't the whole thing with the 20K show building that the locker rooms sit directly under it and the building couldn't be removed???

 

[tigger248]

Wasn't the whole thing with the 20K show building that the locker rooms sit directly under it and the building couldn't be removed???

The cast member locker room (I think it's the men's side primarily) does sit directly underneath the former 20K show building. But I don't think that had a factor in whether or not the building could be demolished, especially since they did demolish the building in 2004.

 

[CThaddeus]

From what I have read so far, Nemo will not have Fastpass. There are two reasons I can see for this - one, the queue areas (The Submarine Voyage had two separate queue lines) are incredibly small already and splitting off one of them just for Fastpassers would create even more insane lines. They've even had to do some reworking of the Club Buzz area to try to give Nemo a little more queue room. The other reason is that Fastpass is not as popular with the new management from what I've read in various sources. Some proof of this can be found in the recent removal of the Fastpass machines for Star Tours, Pirates of the Caribbean, Winnie the Pooh, and Muppetvision. I grant you their lines aren't usually all that insane to begin with, but I think this is actually a good thing. I've always felt Fastpass unnecessarily overinflates queues. I admit I use it from time to time, but if it disappeared from the Parks tomorrow, I wouldn't be a bit upset.