Lending Disney a hand

speck76

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Lending Disney a hand
Disney World parks are now using finger scanners to block the use of stolen and shared tickets.

By Beth Kassab | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted July 14, 2005


After the ticket line and a bag-search checkpoint, visitors to Walt Disney World now have to make one more stop before entering one of its theme parks: at a finger scanner.

Disney guests must now put their index and middle fingers into a device at the turnstile that assigns a code to link the image of their fingers with their name and ticket.

Disney says it's simply part of an attempt to find a more foolproof system to block the use of stolen and shared tickets.

But privacy advocates say the practice is troubling because it moves consumers a step closer to eventual acceptance of a national ID card or a drivers license that stores biometric data.

"Slowly but surely we're just giving away our right of privacy, and the question is what are we getting in return?" said Larry Spalding, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We get all these massive databases, and how secure are they?"

Some tourists also questioned the finger-scan machines.

"We asked what it was and what it did, and they told us it's so no one can use your ticket," said Kathy Wilson, on vacation with her family from Louisville, Ky. "It makes you wonder if that's the only reason they're doing it."

The technology, used for years for annual pass holders, has been phased in for all ticket holders during the past six months.

The company doesn't save the information after the ticket expires, said Disney spokeswoman Kim Prunty.

"We're not keeping a database of fingerprints," Prunty said.

The system, known as Ticket Tag, uses "finger geometry" rather than traditional fingerprints, she said. A camera takes a picture of several points on each person's index and middle fingers and assigns a number value to the image, she said.

The finger scanning began in January in some parks before expanding to the entire complex.

Last month, Disney officially abandoned the old method of stamping visitors' hands when they leave a park to allow re-entry. Now only the combination of a finger scan and ticket with the visitor's name printed on it will permit re-entry or travel from one park to another.

If a crime were to occur inside a park, police would not be able to use the images to match a fingerprint to a person, Prunty said, because the numerical values -- not fingerprints -- are saved in Disney's system.

Spalding, of the ACLU, said several people brought Disney's system to the group's attention, but so far no one has complained.

"If you're that offended, you don't have to associate with Disney," Spalding said.

Disney is not using the technology at its parks in California and overseas.

Universal Orlando relies on photographs to identify pass-holders, but by the end of the year it plans to roll out a new system that uses finger geometry. SeaWorld uses a variation of the finger-scanning device for its multiday pass holders but does not require it for single-day ticket holders.

"Tickets are very expensive for these facilities. If you can hand them off, it costs the parks money," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services in Cincinnati. "It really is an attempt of the introduction of a system that will be used more broadly in the industry in the future."

Prunty said visitors who don't want to have their fingers scanned can still enter the park. Children under age 10 are not required to use the system.

"If a guest feels that they really aren't comfortable with it, they can show an ID if their name is on the ticket," she said.

Visitors to the parks, though, seemed more worried about the inconvenience.

"Overall it's good," said Simon Henson, on vacation with his wife from England. "But it seems to make the queues longer. No one seems to put their fingers in all the way on the first try."

Beth Kassab can be reached at 407-420-5448 or bkassab@orlandosentinel.com.

Orlando's theme parks are turning to finger-scanning technology at the turnstiles.


Walt Disney World -- All Disney visitors must now go through a finger scan at the turnstiles.

Universal Orlando -- Currently uses photos to identify multiday pass holders. By year's end, it will roll out finger scans for all ticket holders.

SeaWorld -- Uses a variation of the finger scanner for its multiday pass holders but does not require it for single-day ticket holders.
 
Um, they've been doing this for awhile now...
When I asked them what it showes, they said everybody has a different distance between their index and middle finger, like everybody has a different thumb print...

Edit: I don't think those are accurate anyways, a few weeks ago when I was there, my mom stuck the wrong ticket through (my dad's I think) and she did the finger thing and it worked... She told them she stuck the wrong ticket through but they're like "It's ok, you're fine, go on through the turnstyle"
 

MKCP 1985

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Lending a hand, or giving the finger? :lol: However, this sums it up for me:

"Prunty said visitors who don't want to have their fingers scanned can still enter the park. Children under age 10 are not required to use the system.

"If a guest feels that they really aren't comfortable with it, they can show an ID if their name is on the ticket," she said."


End of story?

When I used the system in February, it didn't seem to work smoothly for the majority of people who were using it for the first time (like me).

I don't like the system, but if you don't HAVE to use it to enter the park, as Ms. Prunty says, then I have no complaint about it. The next time I go, I'll probably use the finger system and grumble about it. But I'll be sure to write my name on my ticket and take my ID just in case . . .
 

speck76

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It does the job.....

It is kind of like the the little sticker on your car that says you have a car alarm is more of a theft preventer than the alarm itself....
 
When I used the system in February, it didn't seem to work smoothly for the majority of people who were using it for the first time (like me).


^MKCP 1985, it NEVER works for my dad!! We always get anual passes, every year, he goes once or twice a year.. It takes him 2 or 3 tries before the darn thing works!! :hammer:
 

peter11435

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Pixiedust1393 said:
Edit: I don't think those are accurate anyways, a few weeks ago when I was there, my mom stuck the wrong ticket through (my dad's I think) and she did the finger thing and it worked... She told them she stuck the wrong ticket through but they're like "It's ok, you're fine, go on through the turnstyle"
Its supposed to do that. The system will recognize the scans of anyone else in your party (if the tickets were purchased at the same time). They do this because they know that people often have one person hold everyones tickets and that they often get mixed up.

In other words of a family of four buys four MYW tickets they will be able to use each others tickets.
 

Richie248

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peter11435 said:
Its supposed to do that. The system will recognize the scans of anyone else in your party (if the tickets were purchased at the same time). They do this because they know that people often have one person hold everyones tickets and that they often get mixed up.

In other words of a family of four buys four MYW tickets they will be able to use each others tickets.

Thats cool, I didn't know the system grouped the finger prints of the people in your party. We always end up switching our groups tickets around, especially during the hustle and bustle of getting into the parks. I'm sure this technique saves alot of frustration for cast members. I would assume many people don't pay attention to which pass they are using.
 

brich

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"Tickets are very expensive for these facilities. If you can hand them off, it costs the parks money," said Dennis Speigel, president of International Theme Park Services in Cincinnati.
I don't get it? I can see the sharing of an annual pass costing a park money but I don't understand how a daily ticket being used by someone other than the person who purchased it really matters? 1 day admission, 1 guest, no matter who the guest is. I don't mind the scans but I guess I don't understand the necessity for regular tickets. Seems like an expensive system that may not be worth it. I'm sure someone can enlighten me... :veryconfu
 

mousermerf

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The more days you buy on a Disney ticket, the less each day costs.

If you goto MK on Monday, and then Bob goes on your ticket on Tuesday, you both payed less than a 1 day ticket - yet you both did the same amount of stuff a persom coming for 1 day would do.

A person going for two days, while at first not obvious, does indeed do less each day than 2 single people going for 1 day each.

So, the park has to support "first day admission" when they paid for second day admission. Of course people vary, but in general its true.
 

Richie248

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Quick question....does anyone know what happens when your fingerprint isn't recognized?? Can you show an ID??? I always seem to have bad luck with these type of things. :brick:
 

peter11435

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brich said:
I don't get it? I can see the sharing of an annual pass costing a park money but I don't understand how a daily ticket being used by someone other than the person who purchased it really matters? 1 day admission, 1 guest, no matter who the guest is. I don't mind the scans but I guess I don't understand the necessity for regular tickets. Seems like an expensive system that may not be worth it. I'm sure someone can enlighten me... :veryconfu
As Mousermerf tickets need the system because prices decrease the more you buy why would you buy a 5 day MYW ticket when you and a friend could split the cost of a 10 day ticket when the price difference between a 5 day and a 10 day is less than $20. Also the system is needed on single day tickets for issues with reentry and park hopping.

Not to mention the fact that Disney is essentially enforcing the law as Florida State Statute 817.361 states that, all multi-day and multi-event ticket media must be used by the same person on any and all days.
 

BrerPete

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Awesome. Big Brother is here. They have something like that at the lockers over at Universal. They should skip the finger scan and go straight for the retinal scans.
 

AliciaLuvzDizne

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Richie248 said:
Quick question....does anyone know what happens when your fingerprint isn't recognized?? Can you show an ID??? I always seem to have bad luck with these type of things. :brick:
not officially but when I was down a few weeks ago there were many people who couldnt get it to work and the CM let them through anyway.

which is part of what i dont get... are they more leinient (sp) depending on the type of ticket? For example...if it didnt work for me (I hold a premium AP, but never have a problem with the finger scans) would they give me a harder time than someone with a 4 day park hopper?
probably
 

peter11435

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AliciaLuvzDizne said:
not officially but when I was down a few weeks ago there were many people who couldnt get it to work and the CM let them through anyway.

which is part of what i dont get... are they more leinient (sp) depending on the type of ticket? For example...if it didnt work for me (I hold a premium AP, but never have a problem with the finger scans) would they give me a harder time than someone with a 4 day park hopper?
probably
That is not true. Officially they will allow you in with ID if your finger scan does not work. That is why your name is now on all tickets and room keys, and why they ask you to sign your tickets. While they will let you in with ID, they may ask you to go to Guest Services to get the problem resolved.
 

bgraham34

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Big brother is watching everything you do. And you are being cloned without even knowing. But seriously I am not a fan of it but this is what the future holds.
 

brich

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mousermerf said:
The more days you buy on a Disney ticket, the less each day costs.

If you goto MK on Monday, and then Bob goes on your ticket on Tuesday, you both payed less than a 1 day ticket - yet you both did the same amount of stuff a persom coming for 1 day would do.

A person going for two days, while at first not obvious, does indeed do less each day than 2 single people going for 1 day each.

So, the park has to support "first day admission" when they paid for second day admission. Of course people vary, but in general its true.
But I don't see the lost money. If I go day one and I go day two, it's the same amount of money if I go day one and then Bob goes day two. This is were I don't see the big picture. Either way, only one person is getting in each day. Both will spend money in the park. What is there to do in the park that cost Disney for a person on their first day that is not incurred on their second day? I see it just the opposite in that although I may ride less the second day (which I doubt), Bob may spend more on the second day as it is his real first day. I still don't see economically how this perceived loss is worth the investment in the scan technology across the board... :veryconfu
 

AliciaLuvzDizne

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peter11435 said:
That is not true. Officially they will allow you in with ID if your finger scan does not work. That is why your name is now on all tickets and room keys, and why they ask you to sign your tickets. While they will let you in with ID, they may ask you to go to Guest Services to get the problem resolved.
but what about tickets bought from places other than disney?
they dont print them out, so they dont print your name on the tickets.
 

AliciaLuvzDizne

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brich said:
But I don't see the lost money. If I go day one and I go day two, it's the same amount of money if I go day one and then Bob goes day two. This is were I don't see the big picture. Either way, only one person is getting in each day. Both will spend money in the park. What is there to do in the park that cost Disney for a person on their first day that is not incurred on their second day? I see it just the opposite in that although I may ride less the second day (which I doubt), Bob may spend more on the second day as it is his real first day. I still don't see economically how this perceived loss is worth the investment in the scan technology across the board... :veryconfu
because you split the cost of the ticket.
instead of you paying xx amount for one day and bob paying xx amount for another day you each only paid x amount...
disney loses the other x...in theory
 

peter11435

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brich said:
But I don't see the lost money. If I go day one and I go day two, it's the same amount of money if I go day one and then Bob goes day two. This is were I don't see the big picture. Either way, only one person is getting in each day. Both will spend money in the park. What is there to do in the park that cost Disney for a person on their first day that is not incurred on their second day? I see it just the opposite in that although I may ride less the second day (which I doubt), Bob may spend more on the second day as it is his real first day. I still don't see economically how this perceived loss is worth the investment in the scan technology across the board... :veryconfu
Because if were just talking base tickets and you and bob share a two-day ticket as you say Disney made 119. While if you each get a one-day ticket Disney makes 119.50. Not much more I know however this increase as you go up. For example if you and Bob share a 6 day ticket (3-days each). Disney makes $196. But if you each bought a three-day ticket Disney makes $342. That means Disney lost $146 dollars right there.
 

peter11435

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AliciaLuvzDizne said:
but what about tickets bought from places other than disney?
they dont print them out, so they dont print your name on the tickets.
First of all, I don't recommend buying tickets from other places it just isn't worth it. Secondly if it is an official ticket there still should be a place on the ticket you should sign.
 

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