Last Call for PI?

hemloc

Member
PI should be 21 and up, no if's, and's or but's about it... Sure 18 and up is cool for the 18 year olds, but I've seen too many underage people swapping stamps/wristbands/whatever and drinking(Not good for the establishment, at all!). And people who know they are walking into a bar/club should have enough common sense not to bring children. That one always baffles me:shrug:...
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
And people who know they are walking into a bar/club should have enough common sense not to bring children. That one always baffles me:shrug:...

In most places, I would agree with you. But I can see where a parent who doesn't know what it's all about might think "well, it's Disney after all" and bring them in when they realize there's no bouncer keeping them out.

Even though it's a bar, AC also has that "themed attraction" look to it that Disney has taught people to associate with "fun for the whole family!" just by seeing it. I can't remember if there's even a sign out front saying that the entertainment is best suited for an older audience. If there is, then I could see your point a little more.

In short, a lot of the things that make AC fans love the place are probably the same things that cause mom and dad to bring the little ones in with them too. :lol:
 

hemloc

Member
In most places, I would agree with you. But I can see where a parent who doesn't know what it's all about might think "well, it's Disney after all" and bring them in when they realize there's no bouncer keeping them out.

Even though it's a bar, AC also has that "themed attraction" look to it that Disney has taught people to associate with "fun for the whole family!" just by seeing it. I can't remember if there's even a sign out front saying that the entertainment is best suited for an older audience. If there is, then I could see your point a little more.

In short, a lot of the things that make AC fans love the place are probably the same things that cause mom and dad to bring the little ones in with them too. :lol:

That's why I think they should've left it the way it was, instead of opening the whole place to normal traffic. I had heard that it was all ages at AC before 9pm during the 'free preview', and that it reverts to adults only afterwards, but I have seen many a kiddo in there after 9. So who knows... Maybe they should just put ratings on everything if they are gonna let kids in. Rated R for AC and CW, and PG-13 for everything else, lol...
 
I've been there dozens of times and have never seen anyone getting really out of hand(Unlike other parks, ahem...). But, PI was definitely doomed the day they decided to open it up to everyone of all ages... If I had a dollar for every eye that rolls when someone brings their kids to the Adventurer's Club, I would be a rich man by now. A rich, frustrated man:brick:. Although, it is kinda funny when the cast tries to explain in a subtle way that they have to tone down the show because there are young un's in the audience, and they gently prod the parents to please, oh please, dear god, leave(Yet they are dumb enough to endure it and stay, ugh!!):hammer:. Then again, I have been in there when they kept up the raunch factor in a concentrated effort to get them to leave(And matter of factly stated that the show will go on, so it's on the 'rents if they stay!):sohappy:.

I've been to PI once and I'm pretty sure my parents avoided Adventurers because we were not quite old enough at the time.We did however do the comedy club. While it was a little racy I really enjoyed it. It's the only part of PI thats really anywhere near kid friendly and thats mature 10 year old +

Really I'm a little sad that I'm *just* under the right age to go dancin. If I was gonna club ever I was gonna do it at PI because it sounds a whole lot safer than any clubs here in England. But yeah, still if it goes then it goes. It's well past it's glory days anyways. I'm sure something better will go in its place
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
PI should be 21 and up, no if's, and's or but's about it... Sure 18 and up is cool for the 18 year olds, but I've seen too many underage people swapping stamps/wristbands/whatever and drinking(Not good for the establishment, at all!). And people who know they are walking into a bar/club should have enough common sense not to bring children. That one always baffles me:shrug:...

Common sense?? Given the drinking ages in Europe all of which are 18 or under dont you think leaving things to common sense is a bit of a risk?
 
That's a very good point. You do have to take into account that Disney appeals to an international audience and not just an American one. While Americans would think it common sense not to take their children into a nightclub or drinking establishment, it isn't quite as unusual for Europeans to bring children to an area like that.
 

hemloc

Member
I've been to PI once and I'm pretty sure my parents avoided Adventurers because we were not quite old enough at the time.We did however do the comedy club. While it was a little racy I really enjoyed it. It's the only part of PI thats really anywhere near kid friendly and thats mature 10 year old +

Really I'm a little sad that I'm *just* under the right age to go dancin. If I was gonna club ever I was gonna do it at PI because it sounds a whole lot safer than any clubs here in England. But yeah, still if it goes then it goes. It's well past it's glory days anyways. I'm sure something better will go in its place

Actually, if you're from the UK, the Adventurer's Club is no more bawdy than The Graham Norton Show or good ol' Benny Hill, lol!!
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
Now, nearly 20 years later, the social landscape has changed, the new generations of clubbers are perhaps not represented by what PI is, and Disney has muted its presence in producing entertainment that's not family-friendly.

That's exactly what prompted Disney to begin changing PI, but they'll never officially admit it.

Some of us here at WDW Magic first heard of these changes back in 2005. We received our information from executive management at PI and barely talked about it on the boards to avoid controversy.

The unofficial reasoning back then (in 2005) was...
1. Today's club scene is much different from what Disney will allow. Notice that Disney's advertisements always portray well dressed 30-somethings. This typified PI's demographic in the early 1990s, but not anymore; and today's club hopper expects more than a Disney-friendly experience.
2. Disney cannot compete with Church Street Station, which provides a modern club atmosphere. (This was in 2005, before the Station lost its popularity and before City Walk was a threat.)
3. Disney's clubs are overrun with drunken CP's who mindlessly blather to Guests about their unhappiness with the College Program every Thursday night. (This changed later...)
4. Some clubs, such as Mannequin's, have become hyper-s*xualized. This issue has always existed, but Disney suddenly became more sensitive to it. This is probably because WDW has been advertised more as a family vacation, and less like an all-inclusive resort, for over a decade.

The initial discussions involved closing clubs in phases beginning with the least profitable, leaving only the Adventurer's Club, Comedy Warehouse, and possibly one dance club.

Disney threw open the gates to PI as a last-ditch effort to get more Guests on the island. That didn't work, so Disney destroyed the bridge bypass and forced Guests to cross PI as they made their way from the West Side to the Marketplace. Finally, Disney changed a long-standing policy. In prior years, CMs only enjoyed free club entrance on Thursday nights. Now the cover charges are waived six days a week.

If you read nothing else in this ridiculously long post, read this
: Don't believe the PR line that Guests don't visit PI because they're too busy enjoying EMH at the parks. The parks were usually open to midnight back in the early 90s, and that didn't affect PI's popularity.

And don't think Disney has thrown in the towel on PI, either. It won't be exactly the same, but there will still be plenty of fun things to do. The locations just won't be Imagineered anymore. :(
 

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