LA Times: Is Disney Paying Its Fair Share In Anaheim

Darkbeer1

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Without Disney Anaheim would be a bigger dump than it is now, it probably wouldn't even be a city.

Oh, come on, Anaheim was a city for almost 100 years before Disney came in 1953 (started to buy the land)..

The city would be a large suburb, similar to neighboring cities like Buena Park and Orange. Doubt we would have the sports teams though, as much of the money to buy and build them came from TOT funds.

I presume we would have more shopping centers and car dealerships along the freeway.

But Anaheim would still be one of the largest cities in the county, just like now.
 

Practical Pig

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Denying the LA Times the ability to publish timely reviews of Disney films is not inconsequential for the Times. This could hit them in the pocketbook to some noticeable extent. Even if that's only slightly, it's still part of the equation of keeping a print edition newspaper viable these days. But I'm surprised Disney chose to do this. Is the disciplinary value of this ban worth the negative publicity that it generates? Disney comes across as spiteful to a general public perspective (unencumbered with insider Anaheim politics), and the resulting news coverage only spreads the LA Times article's perspective further afield.

It also seems like they may be gamboling with their own profits. Opening night and weekend crowds are a large factor in how a film tracks, and timely reviews published ahead of opening feed those attendance numbers. They must have considered this when deciding whether the ban is worth it to them. Interesting.
 

DLR92

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I think Disney look petty. it just a opinion article. If they can't take it easy and move on, look classless. Frankly I am not surprised. I can't write a opinion how I feel about Pixar Pier with a constructive criticism on the Disney blog. It like their way only or off. And that not how it works in business. I hope this retaliation hurt them.
 
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DLR92

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This story seems to have become national news item.

The Washington Post has picked it up...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...anys-anaheim-dealings/?utm_term=.7ac8cc4ed5fd

...and so has celebrity/gossip site Jezebel.

https://jezebel.com/l-a-times-claims-disney-has-blocked-them-from-screenin-1820120595

I'm baffled as to why Disney did this. Barring the Times from its movie sneaks resurrected a story few people outside of Southern California knew about and magnified it.

Love this.
 

Practical Pig

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This story seems to have become national news item.

The Washington Post has picked it up...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...anys-anaheim-dealings/?utm_term=.7ac8cc4ed5fd

...and so has celebrity/gossip site Jezebel.

https://jezebel.com/l-a-times-claims-disney-has-blocked-them-from-screenin-1820120595

I'm baffled as to why Disney did this. Barring the Times from its movie sneaks resurrected a story few people outside of Southern California knew about and magnified it.

It's a puzzle. It seems like an obvious miscalculation on the surface. Anyone slightly aware of public relations precepts could predict a fallout negating the advantage. But they are people who are more than slightly aware of public relations precepts, and so I wonder what is lurking under the surface here.
 
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It's a puzzle. It seems like an obvious miscalculation on the surface. Anyone slightly aware of public relations precepts could predict a fallout negating the advantage. But they are people who are more than slightly aware of public relations precepts, and so I wonder what is lurking under the surface here.

Right, and Disney's hypersensitive response seems to lend credence to the LAT report that Disney has leveraged its substantial influence in questionable ways to win political favors in Anaheim.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Other than your unfortunate misunderstanding of how free press, journalism and keeping an informed citizenry works....so what? Even if the LA Times did what you say they did, that doesn't mean you bar them from reviewing your movies. The guy who is gonna write the movie review had nothing to do with the article, and they are on completely separate topics.

So let's play this little game out. Now, I've disagreed with you right here in this post, vehemently. Are you going to stand for that? Are you going to block me from ever responding to you again, even in topics that have nothing to do with this? How much Disney do you have in you?

Except when you don't allow both sides of the story to actually be part of the story, you are giving a one-sided biased account. Its like putting a guy on trial but not allowing him to defend himself. That is not journalism, that is an op-ed or blog. True journalist will tell both sides of the story and try to keep their bias out of it. Somehow the LA Times' editorial board forgot this, or just don't care in favor of selling clicks.

Also we don't know the person writing the reviews is not one of the same people who was involved with these articles.

As for your little game, that has nothing to do with this. You are not trying to state your opinion is news and is anything other than your opinion on this site. But if anyone constantly trolls someone, sure I would use the block feature. Again this is an opinion site, not a news site.
 
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Except when you don't allow both sides of the story to actually be part of the story, you are giving a one-sided biased account. Its like putting a guy on trial but not allowing him to defend himself. That is not journalism, that is an op-ed or blog. True journalist will tell both sides of the story and try to keep their bias out of it. Somehow the LA Times' editorial board forgot this, or just don't care in favor of selling clicks.

In part 2 of the series the writer claims that, "Disney declined requests to interview company executives. However, in a letter to The Times, the company said that some politically motivated critics in Anaheim “want to blame Disney for larger socio-economic ills that exist in cities throughout California and across the nation.”" So the LAT did reach out to Disney execs for comment and they refused, however the company did respond with a letter containing an official response.
 

Disney Irish

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In part 2 of the series the writer claims that, "Disney declined requests to interview company executives. However, in a letter to The Times, the company said that some politically motivated critics in Anaheim “want to blame Disney for larger socio-economic ills that exist in cities throughout California and across the nation.”" So the LAT did reach out to Disney execs for comment and they refused, however the company did respond with a letter containing an official response.

Umm....

"Despite our sharing numerous indisputable facts with the reporter, several editors, and the publisher over many months, the Times moved forward with a biased and inaccurate series, wholly driven by a political agenda—so much so that the Orange County Register referred to the report as “a hit piece” with a “seemingly predetermined narrative.”

Right from the article you posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...anys-anaheim-dealings/?utm_term=.7fc27481e9d7

So Disney did provide the LA Times responses that the LA Times just chose not to use because it didn't meet their narrative of the story.

As for the request for speaking to specific executives, if companies made available executives every time there is an interview request they would never get anything done. That is why companies have media teams to handle media requests and provide statements from the company.
 

TP2000

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I'm old, but even I had no idea that in the year 2017 people still cared about newspaper movie reviews. That's still a thing? People still read a newspaper to read if they think a new movie is good or not? Is someone going to next tell me that newspapers still employ restaurant reviewers who can dictate what new restaurants we all go to, or don't go to?

That LA Times article was a politically slanted hit piece. You could smell that from a mile away. But it's kind of funny that Disney was so annoyed by it that they now ban LA Times "journalists" (really no such thing anymore at the Times) from reviewing Disney movies.

And yet here we are weeks after that article was printed in the Times, and no one can tell us what the "fair share" of Anaheim taxes is that Disneyland should pay. 43% of the Anaheim General Fund taxes is apparently not "fair". So what is the percentage of General Fund taxes that Disneyland's customers should pay to be considered "fair"? 50%? 60%? 75%? 95%????

No one ever seems able to answer that question that so many people are happy to put forth. 43% of city taxes is not "fair". So what is a fair share for Disneyland customers to pay??? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller???
 

Disney Irish

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I'm old, but even I had no idea that in the year 2017 people still cared about newspaper movie reviews. That's still a thing? People still read a newspaper to read if they think a new movie is good or not? Is someone going to next tell me that newspapers still employ restaurant reviewers who can dictate what new restaurants we all go to, or don't go to?

That LA Times article was a politically slanted hit piece. You could smell that from a mile away. But it's kind of funny that Disney was so annoyed by it that they now ban LA Times "journalists" (really no such thing anymore at the Times) from reviewing Disney movies.

And yet here we are weeks after that article was printed in the Times, and no one can tell us what the "fair share" of Anaheim taxes is that Disneyland should pay. 43% of the Anaheim General Fund taxes is apparently not "fair". So what is the percentage of General Fund taxes that Disneyland's customers should pay to be considered "fair"? 50%? 60%? 75%? 95%????

No one ever seems able to answer that question that so many people are happy to put forth. 43% of city taxes is not "fair". So what is a fair share for Disneyland customers to pay??? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller???

Agreed. I don't know why anyone would defend that series of op-ed politically slated articles or the LA Times who printed it.

As for me I think 45% should be considered fair, just because 43% seems like a weird percentage to me. Lol ;)
 

Travel Junkie

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Without Disney Anaheim would be a bigger dump than it is now, it probably wouldn't even be a city.

That didn't answer the question and has already been pointed out your statement about Anaheim not existing is false as well. Disney is not responsible for the 3 million plus that call Orange County home. Walt Disney picked Orange County precisely for its desirability and future growth. Anaheim and Orange County was going to become a popular place to live and work regardless of whether the mouse decided to locate here or not.

What was fake about the news story and the Times in general? One of the more disturbing aspects that has been amplified by the current occupant of the White House is to proclaim anything with which they don't agree with 100% as made up. Completely dismissing those we disagree with is dangerous for our society. Disagreement and discussion is healthy.

That LA Times article was a politically slanted hit piece.

I have read these articles several times now and have yet to understand how anyone could come to this conclusion. It is a valid question and the journalist raises good points. I have been known about the parking structure financial terms for a while and it has always bothered me. I mean good for Disney for negotiating these favorable terms, but if I were on the city council I would be embarrassed. I think what the council is doing now is not good business either, but Disney clearly could muscle the city to bend to its will for a very long time. It's fascinating that over the last couple of years that tide has shifted. That is the point of the articles. The LA Times is asking the question because the city of Anaheim has begun to ask the question.

A political hit piece would not give Disney's side of the story at all. They would not include excerpts such as “I have never seen a corporation that has taken so to heart their commitment to the surrounding community,” said Shelley Hoss, president of the Orange County Community Foundation, which manages ACT. " and "Disneyland Resort has given nearly $20 million to nonprofits that are mostly in Orange County, including more than $4 million to various causes in Anaheim. Among them is ACT Anaheim, an initiative Disney co-founded, that provides grants to nonprofits in the community." and "Disney has also taken steps to unburden Anaheim: Since 1992, the company has paid the city for police service at its resort property, and has done the same for fire and paramedic service since 2000; those contracts now generate more than $10 million a year for the city.

Many Anaheim stakeholders said that the company’s direct and indirect impact on the city is unmatched. “There would be no tourism here without Disney,” said Jay Burress, president of the nonprofit Visit Anaheim tourism bureau, which is partly funded by Disney tax revenue. “They are the hook that brings [people] here.”

I could go on, but the point is made. The Times has produced a story that shows both sides of the issue. A hit piece would not have bothered to say anything supporting Disney. Again this is dangerous to label things we disagree with as hit pieces and fake news.
 

Travel Junkie

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I also find it interesting that Disney's response included reference to the OC Register. Being that the Register is a mouthpiece for Disney by not being critical and further going out of its way to slam those that are critical of Disney also speaks volumes. It shows how they feel news organizations should cover them.
 
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I'm old, but even I had no idea that in the year 2017 people still cared about newspaper movie reviews. That's still a thing?

We we're all quite interested in the LAT story when it was first published, and we're still talking about it. So yes, people still read newspapers, but maybe not the printed editions. I don't subscribe to any papers but I do read news articles daily online including movie reviews.
 
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I also find it interesting that Disney's response included reference to the OC Register. Being that the Register is a mouthpiece for Disney by not being critical and further going out of its way to slam those that are critical of Disney also speaks volumes. It shows how they feel news organizations should cover them.

I caught that too. Disney seemed to be signaling to the OCR that it could face a similar boycott if it publishes an unfavorable story about the company.
 

c-one

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Here is Disney's Response

http://deadline.com/2017/11/disney-los-angeles-times-battle-anaheim-coverage-boycott-1202201260/

>>Despite our sharing numerous indisputable facts with the reporter, several editors, and the publisher over many months, the Times moved forward with a biased and inaccurate series, wholly driven by a political agenda — so much so that the Orange County Register referred to the report as ‘a hit piece’ with a ‘seemingly predetermined narrative,’” Disney added Friday, giving no quarter. “We’ve had a long relationship with the L.A. Times, and we hope they will adhere to balanced reporting in the future.”<<

And a Washington Post Opinion piece...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...anys-anaheim-dealings/?utm_term=.a1e3674238d8
Interesting that they claim the LAT series is inaccurate but still haven't pointed out one inaccuracy. By "interesting" I mean "laughably inept".

Doesn't even pass the smell test. How much is Disney paying these communications staffers? Whatever it is it's too much.
 

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