Knockout Game: Why Do Teens Do It?

Megalodumb

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Just saw this on the news about an hour ago. There are many things that make you scratch your head & just ask "Why?". This is certainly one of them.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/knockout-game-sucker-punches-turned-deadly-20969839

"In New York, a 78-year-old woman strolling in her neighborhood was punched in the head by a stranger and tumbled to the ground. In Washington, a 32-year-old woman was swarmed by teenagers on bikes, and one clocked her in the face. In Jersey City, a 46-year-old man died after someone sucker-punched him and he struck his head on an iron fence.
In each case, police are investigating whether the attacks are part of a violent game called "knockout," where the object is to target unsuspecting pedestrians with the intention of knocking them out cold with one punch. Authorities and psychologists say the concept has been around for decades — or longer — and it's played mostly by impulsive teenage boys looking to impress their friends.
"It's hard to excuse this behavior, there's no purpose to this," said Jeffrey Butts, a psychologist specializing in juvenile delinquency at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "When someone runs into a store and demands money, you can sort of understand why they're doing it, desperation, whatever. But just hitting someone for the sheer thrill of seeing if you can knock someone out is just childish."
At least two deaths have been linked to the game this year and police have seen a recent spike in similar attacks.
New York City police have deployed additional officers to city neighborhoods where at least seven attacks occurred in the past few weeks, including the assault on the 78-year-old woman. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said some are smacked, some are more seriously assaulted, and some harassed. The department's hate crimes task force is investigating, because some attacks have been against Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn.


In Washington, D.C., police were investigating two assaults in the past week, both of which resulted in minor injuries but not unconsciousness.
One victim, Phoebe Connolly, of Brattleboro, Vt., said she was randomly punched in the face by a teenager while riding her bike during a work-related visit to Washington last Friday. Connolly, who is 32 and works with teenagers in her job, said the blow knocked her head to the side and bloodied her nose.
"I don't know what the goal was," she said. "There wasn't any attempt to take anything from me."
While some of those attacked have been white, and some suspected attackers black, experts said the incidents are more about preying on the seemingly helpless than race or religion.
"It's about someone who is seemingly helpless, and choosing that person to target," Butts said.
A recent media blitz about the game circulating on television stations and online isn't helping, Connolly and experts said, especially because images are being repeatedly broadcast of victims in a dead fall, smacking the ground with a limp thud. The viral footage comes from older incidents: In one instance from 2012, 50-year-old Pittsburgh English teacher James Addlespurger was punched in the face and falls to the curb. The image was caught on surveillance cameras, and a 15-year-old was arrested.
"The behavior of the sudden assault of someone who seems helpless has appealed to the idiotic impulsive quality of adolescence forever," said Butts. "But there are now bragging rights beyond your immediate circle, when this is on television and online."
Paul Boxer, a psychology professor at Rutgers University who studies aggressive behavior, said Thursday the media stories may perpetuate the assaults, but most teens clearly aren't unfeeling sociopaths.


"You've got some impressionable kids, already with a propensity for violence who could be affected by this," he said. "But not because they are hoping to hurt somebody, it's more about risk taking, and new, different and exciting ways of getting into trouble."
In Lower Merion, a leafy suburb near Philadelphia, two attacks may be related to the game.
"We do worry that it's something like that ... because we've had two similar assaults, neither one of which resulted in a robbery," said Lt. Frank Higgins of the Lower Merion Township Police Department.
In one, two 19-year-olds were charged with knocking down a 63-year-old man out walking his dog the evening of Oct. 29. They were arrested nearby a short time later, and have been charged with assault, Higgins said. No arrests were made in the other incident from September.
Also in September in Jersey City, N.J., two 13-year-olds and a 14-year-old were charged as juveniles in the murder of 46-year-old Ralph Eric Santiago. He was found Sept. 10 with his neck broken and his head wedged between iron fence posts. Hudson County Prosecutor's Office spokesman Gene Rubino has said prosecutors believe the teens were playing the game.
In late May in Syracuse, a group of teenagers attempting to knock Michael Daniels out with a single punch wound up beating and stomping him to death, according to police. A 16-year-old was found guilty of manslaughter, and his 13-year-old co-defendant pleaded guilty to assault, admitting he started the fatal beating by trying to knock out Daniels with a single punch. Both were sentenced to 18 months behind bars.


And earlier in May, Elex Murphy, now 20, was sentenced to life in prison plus 25 years in St. Louis for killing a Vietnamese immigrant as part the game in 2011.
Juvenile delinquency experts say a good punishment for these teens would be empathy training, such as volunteering at a homeless shelter. But a New York lawmaker proposed a bill this week that would make stricter sentences not only for those who do the punching, but for those who publish images online and watch the attacks.
"These twisted and cowardly thugs are preying on innocent bystanders and they don't care if the victims are young, old, a man or woman," GOP state Assemblyman Jim Tedisco said. "Life isn't a video game. These are real people whose lives are not only being put in jeopardy but in many cases destroyed."

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I personally just don't understand any of this. Usually when someone wants to kill, hurt, or cause harm to another person, it is for reasons of greed, jealousy, gang affiliation, religious extremism, revenge, robbery, etc. Not saying that is right, but those are usually the motives behind most cases.
But this growing trend of hurting/killing people for fun is just baffling & disturbing. o_O

Why? What makes these kids stoop to this cowardly level?
 
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englanddg

One Little Spark...
I think social media plays into this too - how many stupid things get posted every day that make you scratch your head and wonder what in the world would possess anyone to do that?
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StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Because hormones mess up our brains and some more than others. A lack of moral values being taught at home and parental supervision also contribute. Not to mention the proliferation of mental illnesses among young people that go undiagnosed and sometimes drug use. Boredom when they don't have an outlet (sports, music, etc.) Also because they want a thrill, and that seems like a good way to get it. Me? I was more a fan of getting my thrill by performing and going on roller coasters.
 

donaldtoo

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When I first read this thread last night I was so ed I couldn't even see straight. But, I knew I should take a little time and cool off a bit before responding. I'm pretty sure I'm about as cooled off about this as I'm gonna' get, so time for a response...
First off, back in my day - yes MY DAY, and if you youngins don't like the way us older folks refer to that, you can go pound sand - if I would have EVER cold cocked an old lady to try and "impress" my friends my friends wouldn't have let me live through the night! Are you FRIGGIGIN KIDDING ME?!?!?!?! I suggest you little maggots go see if you can one-punch the 300 pound defensive lineman on your HS football team if ya' wanna' "impress" anyone, you little weasels from hell.
I'm not as young as I used to be, but if any punk EVER blindsides me like that you better damn well make sure I'm dead or permanently disabled or this crazy old is gonna' hunt you down and deliver justice like no court EVER could.
So, in closing, and now that I'm not as P'd as I was last night, I hope this isn't as prolific, or does not become so, as has been reported.
 

StarWarsGirl

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No
Also, real quick, I found this online:

"That's America. America loves violence and so do our kids," Williams said. "We market violence to our children and we wonder why they're violent. It's because we are."

Williams, a professor of psychology and education at Drexel University in Philadelphia, said some young people are desperate for attention. He called it the "Miley Cyrus effect," where teens will do anything to get noticed, no matter how heinous or unconscionable.

"These kids know the consequences," he said. "They want to get arrested. They want to get caught, because they want that notoriety. They know they won't go away forever because they're kids. It's a win-win all around for them."

"When you highlight an incident or a type of criminal activity, some people will simply try to copy it," the commissioner said Friday. "It's a phenomenon we've seen before."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/justice/knockout-game-teen-assaults/index.html


 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Also, real quick, I found this online:

"That's America. America loves violence and so do our kids," Williams said. "We market violence to our children and we wonder why they're violent. It's because we are."

Williams, a professor of psychology and education at Drexel University in Philadelphia, said some young people are desperate for attention. He called it the "Miley Cyrus effect," where teens will do anything to get noticed, no matter how heinous or unconscionable.

"These kids know the consequences," he said. "They want to get arrested. They want to get caught, because they want that notoriety. They know they won't go away forever because they're kids. It's a win-win all around for them."

"When you highlight an incident or a type of criminal activity, some people will simply try to copy it," the commissioner said Friday. "It's a phenomenon we've seen before."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/22/justice/knockout-game-teen-assaults/index.html
And if that is truly the case, then Burgess was right with Clockwork Orange (another book you probably never read, nor a movie you have ever seen).

I refuse to believe any of that nonsense.
 

lazyboy97o

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@englanddg I'm aware that I am young. I am aware that I do not have a lot of experience. I'm aware that I tend to be arrogant but I normally respect your opinion. You should know that; I have asked your advice before. But I'm an individual, I have an opinion, I know my generation, and I'm going to stand my ground. Agree to disagree.

Also, no I have not read War and Peace. You assumed right on that one.
Tolstoy was able to deride the idea that "We are actually different" nearly 150 years ago because it is nothing new or unique.
 

StarWarsGirl

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No
And if that is truly the case, then Burgess was right with Clockwork Orange (another book you probably never read, nor a movie you have ever seen).

I refuse to believe any of that nonsense.
It, like War and Peace, sounds like a very uplifting book (I very quickly looked it up). *sarcasm* I probably won't have to read it; I tested out of college lit.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Tolstoy was able to deride the idea that "We are actually different" nearly 150 years ago because it is nothing new or unique.
They aren't forced to read the classics or the controversial and think about them anymore. I've run across this more than once, and it's annoying. It's a rather recent development in education. The false interpretation that todays man is different than any other man before him, is devastating.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
You "tested out of college lit"...by reading what? I read these books in high school, and that was in the 90s? What crap did they feed you? Charlotte's Web?
LOL in elementary school yes I read Charlotte's Web. AP exam. No I have no idea how I did it. Barely did any work in that class, barely read anything, got a 4 (tested out). Previous year for comp, did a ton of work, got a 3 (passed, but did not test out).

Let's see:
1. Crime and Punishment
2. Great Gatsby (my favorite)
3. Of Mice and Men
4. A Doll's House
5. Jane Eyre
6. To Kill a Mockingbird
7. Macbeth (actually, I was in that one, didn't read it for class)
8. A Tale of Two Cities (middle school)
9. The Scarlet Letter
10. Handmaid's Tale (that's a newer one)
11. Grapes of Wrath
12. Uncle Tom's Cabin (another favorite)
13. Anthem
14. Night

Those are just the ones I can think of right now; I'm very tired but have to give myself this breathing treatment before I can go to sleep.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
LOL in elementary school yes I read Charlotte's Web. AP exam. No I have no idea how I did it. Barely did any work in that class, barely read anything, got a 4 (tested out). Previous year for comp, did a ton of work, got a 3 (passed, but did not test out).

Let's see:
1. Crime and Punishment
2. Great Gatsby (my favorite)
3. Of Mice and Men
4. A Doll's House
5. Jane Eyre
6. To Kill a Mockingbird
7. Macbeth (actually, I was in that one, didn't read it for class)
8. A Tale of Two Cities (middle school)
9. The Scarlet Letter
10. Handmaid's Tale (that's a newer one)
11. Grapes of Wrath
12. Uncle Tom's Cabin (another favorite)
13. Anthem
14. Night
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Those are just the ones I can think of right now; I'm very tired but have to give myself this breathing treatment before I can go to sleep.

Not a very unique list. I've read all the same as various assignments, and I had an average high school education (and still do, I never finished college).
 

lazyboy97o

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LOL in elementary school yes I read Charlotte's Web. AP exam. No I have no idea how I did it. Barely did any work in that class, barely read anything, got a 4 (tested out). Previous year for comp, did a ton of work, got a 3 (passed, but did not test out).

Let's see:
1. Crime and Punishment
2. Great Gatsby (my favorite)
3. Of Mice and Men
4. A Doll's House
5. Jane Eyre
6. To Kill a Mockingbird
7. Macbeth (actually, I was in that one, didn't read it for class)
8. A Tale of Two Cities (middle school)
9. The Scarlet Letter
10. Handmaid's Tale (that's a newer one)
11. Grapes of Wrath
12. Uncle Tom's Cabin (another favorite)
13. Anthem
14. Night

Those are just the ones I can think of right now; I'm very tired but have to give myself this breathing treatment before I can go to sleep.
Ayn Rand's Anthem?
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Not a very unique list. I've read all the same as various assignments, and I had an average high school education (and still do, I never finished college).
Yeah, it's pretty standard fare. They unfortunately teach to the AP exam, and what College Board recommends is what we read since one of the questions on the exam has a list of books and you have to pick one of those titles to write about. Thankfully when I took it Jane Eyre was on the list, and I've read that one twice, plus I read a simplified version when I was younger, so I chose that one. Thankfully my Senior year English teacher never made us read Pride and Prejudice. I thank her greatly for that.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Yeah, it's pretty standard fare. They unfortunately teach to the AP exam, and what College Board recommends is what we read since one of the questions on the exam has a list of books and you have to pick one of those titles to write about. Thankfully when I took it Jane Eyre was on the list, and I've read that one twice, plus I read a simplified version when I was younger, so I chose that one. Thankfully my Senior year English teacher never made us read Pride and Prejudice. I thank her greatly for that.

Why, it's a great book!

All this being said, reading doesn't offer you any life experience. It merely sets up a structure that when you do have said experience, you have a literary reference for it. It does make you wiser (as if you see reading as more than an "educational pursuit" you can learn from it), but otherwise, it is pure entertainment.

You can't read, for example, Macbeth, and write a paper on it, and think you truly understand the deep emotional issues involved with the play...even if you got an A.

The point of reading older literature is partially to understand our world (as it was) and through that understand our world (as it could be). I find it telling that you listed no sci fi authors in your list.

That's arrogance at it's prime. Only the arrogant think they are so smart .
 

StarWarsGirl

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No
Why, it's a great book!

All this being said, reading doesn't offer you any life experience. It merely sets up a structure that when you do have said experience, you have a literary reference for it. It does make you wiser (as if you see reading as more than an "educational pursuit" you can learn from it), but otherwise, it is pure entertainment.

You can't read, for example, Macbeth, and write a paper on it, and think you truly understand the deep emotional issues involved with the play...even if you got an A.

The point of reading older literature is partially to understand our world (as it was) and through that understand our world (as it could be). I find it telling that you listed no sci fi authors in your list.

That's arrogance at it's prime. Only the arrogant think they are so smart .
You misunderstand me. I tried reading Pride and Prejudice on my own since my mom loves it. Absolutely hated it. I could not get through it. I enjoyed Jane Eyre more.

Oh you cited the book where I was in the play, so I understood the emotions and the context really well in that one. Read a lot of Shakespeare. Actually, I've written in class essays on books, but never lengthy papers. It was usually in-class discussion. I actually like Shakespeare.

Come to think of it, they really didn't have us read Jules Verne. I wish they had; I love Sci Fi. They had us read Dystopian future novels (Anthem, Handmaid's Tale). I'd love to read more books; I actually read Moby Dick on my own, but it's not part of my schedule right now.
 

Lucky

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Juvenile delinquency experts say a good punishment for these teens would be empathy training, such as volunteering at a homeless shelter.

Of everything in this thread, this view (from the news story @Megalodumb pasted in the OP) is the only one that strikes me as naive. And these "experts" are probably two or three times as old as @StarWarsGirl95. Age and experience don't always equal wisdom. Youth and inexperience don't necessarily make someone's opinion less valid than another's. Of course experience has its advantages, but with experience people sometimes acquire biases, hangups and emotional baggage they didn't have when they were younger.
 

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