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Kids on Chains
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FutureCEO said:
Didn't you post about the leashes earlier in the thread? :veryconfu
I'm probably confusing you with someone else. I think I am losing my mind. Sorry!
Here's the harness:
http://www.littlesafetyharness.com/
There is another type which goes around the wrist, one end for the parent, and one for the child.
Call it what you want - harness, rope, etc. Leashes are for animals, not children. I usually make a comment like "You have a leash for your kid? Oh, what's next, a muzzle?" I understand that there are rare cases where it's the only way a child could behave in public. But whatever happened to parent's teaching their kids to behave, setting limits, and consequences? It's a sad commentary on the state of child-rearing in our country. BTW, I have two kids, and our oldest has no problem staying with us, and listening to what we say to him. Our youngest is still stroller-bound, so no problems yet 
I think some of you people are completely BLIND!!!
If you see a 3 year old being wheeled around in a stroller you don't even think twice about it!! But put the kid in a harness and suddenly that means the parents can't control him anymore?
Um don't you think it takes more work and discipline on the parent's part to have their children walking around than it would to simply lock them into a stroller and push them wherever the parents want to go??? How can you associate a child harness with a lack of discipline??
I just pushed my kids around in a stroller for a week at Disney. If I wanted to go somewhere I just pushed them there. If they were reaching for something on a shelf that they weren't supposed to touch, I moved the stroller so they couldn't reach it anymore. Having them in the stroller required absolutely NO discipline on my part and it was LAZY!! I had the harness in my backpack the entire time. But I didn't get it out at all. You wanna know why? Because I was too hot and tired to have to discipline my child if he was out walking freely versus having him confined to the stroller where he couldn't misbehave. Harnesses require work and discipline, strollers do NOT.
But yet you people scoff at those parents who have so much control over their children that they are able to let them walk freely in the parks, wearing only a harness for saftey, and you make rude comments to them like, "You have a leash for your kid? Oh, what's next, a muzzle?", because you prefer that they be LAZY like YOU and throw their kids in a stroller where they don't have to deal with them at all!
Don't you see how WRONG you are???
The harnesses are for saftey, not for confinement and not for dragging your kids around. If parents are using them inappropriately than judge that particular parent, but don't scoff at the parents who use them correctly! The harnesses are so little kids who would normally be thrown in a stroller and confined all day can actually get out and walk around and enjoy some freedom, while staying safe at the same time. And you think this is cruel??? HOW IS THAT CRUEL???
Do you think these parents should instead let their 2 year olds roam around the Magic Kingdom with nothing to keep them safe? There's some really rude tourists and sometimes they push people around trying to get to the front of lines or crowds or whatever and they don't care who they knock over and seperate in the process. If some of these tourists come by and seperate you from your 2 year old, does that make you a bad and undisciplined parent? How so? The harness is to prevent those types of things from happening. Once your toddler is seperated from you, that leaves them vulnerable to a child molester or kidnapper that could snatch them up in the 2 seconds that you were seperated from them. But if they are attached to you with a harness then that just won't happen.
People who love their children will keep them SAFE. It sounds to me like some of you are more concerned about appearances than the safety of your child. Even the best behaved child can become seperated from their parents. A harness is NOT an indication of a person's ability as a parent, but it IS an indication that they love their child and that they are willing to get nasty looks and be judged by others so that their child can be safe!
If you see a 3 year old being wheeled around in a stroller you don't even think twice about it!! But put the kid in a harness and suddenly that means the parents can't control him anymore?
Um don't you think it takes more work and discipline on the parent's part to have their children walking around than it would to simply lock them into a stroller and push them wherever the parents want to go??? How can you associate a child harness with a lack of discipline??
I just pushed my kids around in a stroller for a week at Disney. If I wanted to go somewhere I just pushed them there. If they were reaching for something on a shelf that they weren't supposed to touch, I moved the stroller so they couldn't reach it anymore. Having them in the stroller required absolutely NO discipline on my part and it was LAZY!! I had the harness in my backpack the entire time. But I didn't get it out at all. You wanna know why? Because I was too hot and tired to have to discipline my child if he was out walking freely versus having him confined to the stroller where he couldn't misbehave. Harnesses require work and discipline, strollers do NOT.
But yet you people scoff at those parents who have so much control over their children that they are able to let them walk freely in the parks, wearing only a harness for saftey, and you make rude comments to them like, "You have a leash for your kid? Oh, what's next, a muzzle?", because you prefer that they be LAZY like YOU and throw their kids in a stroller where they don't have to deal with them at all!
Don't you see how WRONG you are???
The harnesses are for saftey, not for confinement and not for dragging your kids around. If parents are using them inappropriately than judge that particular parent, but don't scoff at the parents who use them correctly! The harnesses are so little kids who would normally be thrown in a stroller and confined all day can actually get out and walk around and enjoy some freedom, while staying safe at the same time. And you think this is cruel??? HOW IS THAT CRUEL???
Do you think these parents should instead let their 2 year olds roam around the Magic Kingdom with nothing to keep them safe? There's some really rude tourists and sometimes they push people around trying to get to the front of lines or crowds or whatever and they don't care who they knock over and seperate in the process. If some of these tourists come by and seperate you from your 2 year old, does that make you a bad and undisciplined parent? How so? The harness is to prevent those types of things from happening. Once your toddler is seperated from you, that leaves them vulnerable to a child molester or kidnapper that could snatch them up in the 2 seconds that you were seperated from them. But if they are attached to you with a harness then that just won't happen.
People who love their children will keep them SAFE. It sounds to me like some of you are more concerned about appearances than the safety of your child. Even the best behaved child can become seperated from their parents. A harness is NOT an indication of a person's ability as a parent, but it IS an indication that they love their child and that they are willing to get nasty looks and be judged by others so that their child can be safe!
mrtoad
Well-Known Member
HauntedPirate said:Call it what you want - harness, rope, etc. Leashes are for animals, not children. I usually make a comment like "You have a leash for your kid? Oh, what's next, a muzzle?" I understand that there are rare cases where it's the only way a child could behave in public. But whatever happened to parent's teaching their kids to behave, setting limits, and consequences? It's a sad commentary on the state of child-rearing in our country. BTW, I have two kids, and our oldest has no problem staying with us, and listening to what we say to him. Our youngest is still stroller-bound, so no problems yet
And, don't forget about teaching them to be judgmental of others...
mrtoad said:
That's not for a few more months. :wave:
And, we didn't push our 3 year old around in a stroller for the entire week. He walked freely in the parks. With us. Never more than an arm's length away. He rode in the stroller when he was tired, or wanted to get out of the sun, or had a snack/drink.
To me, having a kid on a harness (I'll use that word for this post) can be seen as a sign of laziness, that they don't want to watch the kid, just keep them within the length of the harness. My views are based on what I've seen, and 90% of the parents I see with kids on a harness don't pay attention to them, unless they pull on the harness, or go somewhere they don't want them to go. Then it gets yanked back, and usually some kind of terse words or yelling ensues. The parents are too caught up in whatever it was they were doing to notice what their kids are doing.
Every family, every person, is different, and I can see where a harness can be used to let your kids roam, but still have a fixed limit. And I don't scoff at parents who let their kids walk freely in the parks (I don't believe I *ever* said that). It shows that they are, for the most part, well behaved, and that they're trustworthy enough to walk around on their own. And that's a good thing.
As I said, my views are based on what I've seen. If you still want to tell me I'm wrong, or blind, go ahead.
yellowstoner
New Member
Hey, I'm all for a kid leash law. :zipit:
Mickifan17
New Member
WOW!!! Where do I begin?
:hammer: I don't know who to quote first on this ridiculous post. I have to agree with many people that many of the bad comments about "leashing" your child are coming from child-less parents. LAZY PARENTS? DO NOT DISCIPLINE OUR CHILDREN? CAN'T CONTROL OUR KIDS? ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE THAT IGNORANT, STUPID, OUT OF YOUR MIND?
I think I finally know why this world has so many problems. It's ignorant people who don't understand the world exists for everyone, not just themselves. :brick:
How can anyone (especially without children) judge a person's decisions without knowing all the facts. I am so fortunate to have 2 healthy, happy, well disciplined children who mean the world to me. I am NOT going to take a chance of anything happening to them to "impress" other people around me because of what they might think. I have many Disney valuables all over my house and my kids know well enough not to touch them. So don't tell me that a harness means I can't control them. It means I love them more than anything in this world and want to protect them from danger. NOT, because I'm lazy or they are bad kids.
Kids wander, no matter how much you discipline them. And for those of you who think a wandering child lacks discipline, your wrong! It's a sign of curiosity and intelligence. If your kids don't wander, don't give yourself the Parent of the Year award just yet. Maybe you should have them checked out by a doctor. They must be lacking something.
For those of you "caring" parents out there who want a harness but do not want something that looks so obtrusive, I have seen many devices that don't look as harsh as a "leash". I personally have a child hip-pack that has a tether on it that you hold on to and the kids love it because they can keep their own things in there.
Sorry for the rant, but I HATE STUPID PEOPLE.
Only 84 more days til I'm Home!!! :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:
With my 2 kids safely by my side, thank you very much.
:hammer: I don't know who to quote first on this ridiculous post. I have to agree with many people that many of the bad comments about "leashing" your child are coming from child-less parents. LAZY PARENTS? DO NOT DISCIPLINE OUR CHILDREN? CAN'T CONTROL OUR KIDS? ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE THAT IGNORANT, STUPID, OUT OF YOUR MIND?
I think I finally know why this world has so many problems. It's ignorant people who don't understand the world exists for everyone, not just themselves. :brick:
How can anyone (especially without children) judge a person's decisions without knowing all the facts. I am so fortunate to have 2 healthy, happy, well disciplined children who mean the world to me. I am NOT going to take a chance of anything happening to them to "impress" other people around me because of what they might think. I have many Disney valuables all over my house and my kids know well enough not to touch them. So don't tell me that a harness means I can't control them. It means I love them more than anything in this world and want to protect them from danger. NOT, because I'm lazy or they are bad kids.
Kids wander, no matter how much you discipline them. And for those of you who think a wandering child lacks discipline, your wrong! It's a sign of curiosity and intelligence. If your kids don't wander, don't give yourself the Parent of the Year award just yet. Maybe you should have them checked out by a doctor. They must be lacking something.
For those of you "caring" parents out there who want a harness but do not want something that looks so obtrusive, I have seen many devices that don't look as harsh as a "leash". I personally have a child hip-pack that has a tether on it that you hold on to and the kids love it because they can keep their own things in there.
Sorry for the rant, but I HATE STUPID PEOPLE.
Only 84 more days til I'm Home!!! :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:
With my 2 kids safely by my side, thank you very much.
Testtrack321
Well-Known Member
I don't have problems with chained kids, but I have problems with chained hyperactive kids who wide themselves all around people, thus creating a huge jamble of people, while the parents don't even care.
McArcDes
New Member
Being a parent who has lost a child at WDW (in 2001 only for a few minutes thankfully. A few minutes of pure panic though) He was 3 and we were in a large crowd in Fantasyland, we stopped and he kept going. If you are going to ask why wasnt someone holding his hand, his mother was supposed to be but he kept pulling his hand out of hers. His younger sister was in our stroller. If he had been on a lead then that would not of happened. That is the only time in a 2 week trip that happened.
My girl friends 4 year old son is autistic and we have put him on a lead because he has a real tendency to wander. You cant reason with him and like someone else said, time outs dont work. I dont believe it is fair to leave a 4 or 5 year old in a stroller all day every day for the duration of our vacation. Out only option is to put him on a lead. Besides you cant take the strollers every where. For example many of the pavillions at Epcot wont let you take them in.
We are planning on taking the kids (all 6 of them, 4 are mine 2 are her's) to WDW for 2 weeks next year. I am sure we will be putting him on a lead as well as putting him in stroller. (not at the same time) For us it is a matter of safety not just a matter of control.
Refering to it as a chain or a leash does sound harsh...Lead is a bit better...I know how about we call them "Child roaming distance limiting devices" or "CRDLD's" for short.
I was going to ask if anyone had any experience taking 6 kids and only two parents and how it worked out but I think that is better for a seperate thread....see it soon on this forum near you..
My girl friends 4 year old son is autistic and we have put him on a lead because he has a real tendency to wander. You cant reason with him and like someone else said, time outs dont work. I dont believe it is fair to leave a 4 or 5 year old in a stroller all day every day for the duration of our vacation. Out only option is to put him on a lead. Besides you cant take the strollers every where. For example many of the pavillions at Epcot wont let you take them in.
We are planning on taking the kids (all 6 of them, 4 are mine 2 are her's) to WDW for 2 weeks next year. I am sure we will be putting him on a lead as well as putting him in stroller. (not at the same time) For us it is a matter of safety not just a matter of control.
Refering to it as a chain or a leash does sound harsh...Lead is a bit better...I know how about we call them "Child roaming distance limiting devices" or "CRDLD's" for short.
I was going to ask if anyone had any experience taking 6 kids and only two parents and how it worked out but I think that is better for a seperate thread....see it soon on this forum near you..
Mickifan17 said:
Well, having your 3-year old tell you about some obscure detail 2 months after your trip is a good sign, too.
About the hip-pack - what are the size/age/weight limits? Do you have a link to a website for it?
DisneyChik17
Well-Known Member
Okay...I was on a leash as a young child. I don't see anything wrong with it. There is a point where a 2 or 3 year old no longer wants to be confined to stroller but they are no where near old enough to wander around free. Hand holds are easily broken so why not have something that isn't broken so easily?
I wasn't going to respond to this thread... but, here goes...
Before having children, using a leash NEVER crossed my mind. It has never bothered me seeing children on leashes in the park; in fact, I thought it was a great way to give the little ones a break from the confines of the stroller. Now that I have a child (and a very active one at that!), the use of a leash is entering the realm of possibility.
We will be going to Disney the week after Christmas, and for those of you who have experienced the crowds during that week- letting a child walk alone through the park is a scary thought. Especially when your child will only be 2 years old. My daughter is very well behaved (at least, that's what we're told whenever we are out and about- at restaurants, shopping, on airplanes, etc.) but there are times when she wants to be out of the stroller and walking. That's just a part of a child's growing up process. In order to let her walk AND to keep her safe from those who aren't concerned about her welfare, I may wind up using a leash during our next visit- because I am VERY concerned about her welfare. If anything happened to her, my DH and I would be devastated because she is our life.
My request... Please try to be more open minded to the unique ways parents use to keep an eye on their children. You may not agree with it, but it might be working for that family... and later on, you may find that it works for you, too.
Now... can we get back to discussing things that really matter... like stuff that really pertains to Disney?! Anybody going to be there Dec 24-Jan 2? We'll be down there for the Osborne Family lights. Can't wait!
Before having children, using a leash NEVER crossed my mind. It has never bothered me seeing children on leashes in the park; in fact, I thought it was a great way to give the little ones a break from the confines of the stroller. Now that I have a child (and a very active one at that!), the use of a leash is entering the realm of possibility.
We will be going to Disney the week after Christmas, and for those of you who have experienced the crowds during that week- letting a child walk alone through the park is a scary thought. Especially when your child will only be 2 years old. My daughter is very well behaved (at least, that's what we're told whenever we are out and about- at restaurants, shopping, on airplanes, etc.) but there are times when she wants to be out of the stroller and walking. That's just a part of a child's growing up process. In order to let her walk AND to keep her safe from those who aren't concerned about her welfare, I may wind up using a leash during our next visit- because I am VERY concerned about her welfare. If anything happened to her, my DH and I would be devastated because she is our life.
My request... Please try to be more open minded to the unique ways parents use to keep an eye on their children. You may not agree with it, but it might be working for that family... and later on, you may find that it works for you, too.
Now... can we get back to discussing things that really matter... like stuff that really pertains to Disney?! Anybody going to be there Dec 24-Jan 2? We'll be down there for the Osborne Family lights. Can't wait!
DisneyrazZ
New Member
Well, after reading this thread....here are my thoughts and statements:
Personally, I am not for leads...but my opinion doesn't count for much since I dont have any children. But, I believe it is all on an individual basis...some kids require leads because of ADHD/ADD, autism, or many other reasons. But just because your kid is on a lead doesn't mean you should yank them around or let them run around in the path of people walking because that is just as dangerous as not having them on a lead. And before anyone starts to bash what I just said, I am sure most/all of the parents on this thread keep a very watchful eye on their children and do not yank them around. But unfortunately, just as there are parents that will keep their children in the Florida summer heat from park open to park close, there are people that will do as I said above with the leads. And if my children need a lead when I have them, then I will definitely use it.
About holding your child's hand for long periods of time: their little arms get tired quickly from holding an adult's hand. If you don't believe me, try holding your arm in the air for an extended length of time. Because of this, I believe leads are a good thing because they can keep their arm down at their side when they need to and they do not have to fight the adult because their arm is getting tired.
Anyways, i'll step down now. Who knows if leads are good/bad? It all depends on the parent and the child, just don't abuse it!
-=DisneyrazZ=-
Personally, I am not for leads...but my opinion doesn't count for much since I dont have any children.
But, I believe it is all on an individual basis...some kids require leads because of ADHD/ADD, autism, or many other reasons. But just because your kid is on a lead doesn't mean you should yank them around or let them run around in the path of people walking because that is just as dangerous as not having them on a lead. And before anyone starts to bash what I just said, I am sure most/all of the parents on this thread keep a very watchful eye on their children and do not yank them around. But unfortunately, just as there are parents that will keep their children in the Florida summer heat from park open to park close, there are people that will do as I said above with the leads. And if my children need a lead when I have them, then I will definitely use it.About holding your child's hand for long periods of time: their little arms get tired quickly from holding an adult's hand. If you don't believe me, try holding your arm in the air for an extended length of time. Because of this, I believe leads are a good thing because they can keep their arm down at their side when they need to and they do not have to fight the adult because their arm is getting tired.
Anyways, i'll step down now. Who knows if leads are good/bad? It all depends on the parent and the child, just don't abuse it!
-=DisneyrazZ=-
WDWScottieBoy
Well-Known Member
DisneyrazZ said:
Unless that's a new name for it, I always thought they were called leashes. :lol: I just took out everything you said and left lead/leads in there. I might be wrong since I don't have children and didn't know there was more than one name for them, but aren't they just leashes? I'm not trying to make fun or start anything, just trying to correct something, unless I'm the one that needs corrected. :lol:
Mickifan17
New Member
sarajo said:
Thank you. Well said. I've never gotten so angry at a post here before. For those who are interested in the pack security strap I mentioned earlier, here is a link. This is what I have used and my son loved that he can hold his own items: http://www.onestepahead.com/product/27180/126/117.html
DisneyrazZ
New Member
actually, I have always called them leashes, but from an earlier post:
I thought "lead" just sounded nicer than "leash" and doesn't sound so "animal-ish" :lol: maybe i shouldve just used "CRDLD" instead
-=DisneyrazZ=-
WDWScottieBoy
Well-Known Member
Thanks for clearing that up. I also don't like the word "leash" because it sounds as if it's an animal, but I didn't know there were other words that meant the same thing here. CRDLD does sound a lot better here, too!