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Kevin Yee- Airing of Grievances
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TalkingHead
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The comparison of Christmas decorations at SW and WDW was a nice touch in the article. I mentioned it in another thread, but I was blown away by the quality of the SW Christmas decorations and shows.
On the subject of the article, I'm left wondering what WDW will look like in four more years. If Avatar or Cars or anything major isn't opening before 2016, WDW could continue to decline for a few more years. I know I won't be spending a lot of times in the parks documenting their failures. I've been thoroughly wowed by Universal and SW over the last couple of years. I'm ready for Disney to win me back, but I think they have bigger fish to fry (like the visit-once-in-a-lifetime FP+ family of fifteen from Arkansas).
On the subject of the article, I'm left wondering what WDW will look like in four more years. If Avatar or Cars or anything major isn't opening before 2016, WDW could continue to decline for a few more years. I know I won't be spending a lot of times in the parks documenting their failures. I've been thoroughly wowed by Universal and SW over the last couple of years. I'm ready for Disney to win me back, but I think they have bigger fish to fry (like the visit-once-in-a-lifetime FP+ family of fifteen from Arkansas).
ParentsOf4
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My favorite quote:
It reminds me of being a parent. In order for it to not get lost in all the other requirements of being a parent, I tell my children every day I that I love them. So, WDW, I love you.
What is sometimes misunderstood is that all the "whining" and "complaining" does not occur because we hate WDW. It occurs because we love WDW so much that we want it to be the very best it can be.Kevin Yee said:
It reminds me of being a parent. In order for it to not get lost in all the other requirements of being a parent, I tell my children every day I that I love them. So, WDW, I love you.
erasure fan1
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I would say, yup, that article about sums it up. I really don't think I disagree with any of it. I think he hit it on the head with the just because people don't complain, that doesn't mean there isn't a problem.
Rasvar
Well-Known Member
What could it look like? Worst case scenario is Disneyland Tomorrowland circa 2002 or Superstar Limo in DCA. Hoping it doesn't get that bad but fear it is possible. I'm hoping the warning bells are already going off for key people though.
Lee
Adventurer
It will depend very much on the potential management changes that are likely to happen in the next few months, along with the also likely rescinding of the One Disney initiative.
Part of the reasoning behind these moves is to bring a new philosophy to TDO that, it is hoped, will allow for somewhat of a TDA-style renaissance.
That, along with whether or not NextGen flies or flops, will tell the story of the resort for the remainder of the decade.
TalkingHead
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Rasvar
Well-Known Member
I hope you are right. Not too confident on NextGen really working right now. I suspect they may be asking it to do too many things and from a system development standpoint, it could become a bloated mess that does a little bit of everything but nothing well.
The day One Disney is rescinded, I will knock down a celebratory adult beverage. I hated it from day one.
I know I have been seeing signs that there may be some good changes about to happen. At the same time, I've been fooled before so I am still in the cynical do it and prove it mode right now.
BigThunderMatt
Well-Known Member
All of these things sound great...but are they directly correlated with the success/failure of NextGen? If NextGen somehow miraculously takes off and becomes an astonishing success, where is the impetus to bring about a TDA-style renaissance? In the eyes of TDO NextGen would have been money well-spent.
If it fails miserably while those responsible are long gone (and laughing all the way to the bank), which I feel will be the more likely of the two scenarios, will TDO be able to dig itself out from under the $2B paperweight they realized all too late was a gag gift and ignite that renaissance? Or will it be too late?
I feel that these events cannot happen independently of one another. The success of one event relies on the failure of another and vice-versa. TDO is stuck in a cycle that I don't think they can easily get themselves out of.
Hakunamatata
Le Meh
You really have a vendetta against MBAs don't you.....
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
I'm afraid to admit this but I agree with everything in that article, especially the Dining Plan issues.
Dining at Disney used to be amazing when I moved here in 2004. Now its pretty "blah"... assuming you can get a ressie.
Dining at Disney used to be amazing when I moved here in 2004. Now its pretty "blah"... assuming you can get a ressie.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Can we not let the corn hater take over this thread?
Fantastic article Mr. Yee.
The management style at WDW is so short sighted it is almost comical. But really, it is to be expected, save a buck here, climb the ladder, higher salaries, and the fallout becomes someone else's problem. And make no mistake, a fallout is coming.
Fantastic article Mr. Yee.
The management style at WDW is so short sighted it is almost comical. But really, it is to be expected, save a buck here, climb the ladder, higher salaries, and the fallout becomes someone else's problem. And make no mistake, a fallout is coming.
Lee
Adventurer
You mean doubting enough to already have a potential fall guy in place to take the heat when/if it flops? Someone who might decide to suddenly "spend more time with family"?
Could be...
No. They are not directly related.
If NextGen flies, the new management (which is 99.999% a sure thing) will be pleased.
If it flops, they have plans for that too.
TheBeatles
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more attention needs to be called to splash mountain than already is.
guests at walt disney word deserve better.
guests at walt disney word deserve better.
KevinYee
Well-Known Member
Thank you, everyone.
I know from reading this forum for years that I'm not the only one worried about these issues. As one of you pointed out, I am indeed quoting large chunks of a 2008 article. It was depressing in a way that so much was directly exportable to the 2012 article. (though I did make nip and tuck changes here and there).
Oh, and fortunately a reader messaged me immediately when the article went up so I could change the typo. I had originally called it a Bud Light Budget (rolls off the tongue better) but of course that's not who made those famous commercials.
I know from reading this forum for years that I'm not the only one worried about these issues. As one of you pointed out, I am indeed quoting large chunks of a 2008 article. It was depressing in a way that so much was directly exportable to the 2012 article. (though I did make nip and tuck changes here and there).
Oh, and fortunately a reader messaged me immediately when the article went up so I could change the typo. I had originally called it a Bud Light Budget (rolls off the tongue better) but of course that's not who made those famous commercials.
HMF
Well-Known Member
I take offense to equating Autism with incompetence.Kevin Yee is always at the top of his game when his article involves the phrase 'Declining by Degrees'.Yee understands TDO well: TDO is not autistic, or incompetent.
PhotoDave219
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That does sum up management rather accurately. Manager 2 replaces manager 1, institutes changes, gets bonus/promotion. Manager 3 replaces Manager 2, changes everything back, gets bonus/promotion. Rince, lather, repeat.