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Just a thought on EE: cost effectiveness of animatronic vs real live castmember
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Captain Hank
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If you're the pilot.Woody13 said:
Mecha Figment
New Member
what part of muppet 4D is done by live actors..
oh... thats right... sweetums. forgot.
oh... thats right... sweetums. forgot.
Epcot82Guy
Well-Known Member
There are several concerns here:
First, regardless of how slow it may be going, a moving coaster train is VERY dangerous. Therefore, puting a live actor in that situation would cost a lot insurance wise in addition to the breaks, sick days, etc.
Second, control of the Yeti might leave WDI. Right now, all live actors are under Entertainment (not WDI or Attractions). Since the Yeti would not be a "host," he would likely be a character. This adds onto the demands ad would make fusing the two together difficult. This might not be the case, but it is possible.
Finally, the AA will likely be more realistic due to the size than would a live actor. A costume could work, but the mechanics of these robots are able to create movement that doesn't look so "human."
Just a few thoughts I had.
Also, back to another post that I don't think got mentioned, the HM used to have a live suit of armor (where the one shifting his weight is in WDW's). The "armor" had a button to stop the ride, but several situations occurred. (1) the "armor" would touch guests from time to time (a big no no), (2) guests would attack the armor, and (3) it became a somewhat unwanted role due to the concerns and safety issues. Therefore, it was let go fairly early on.
First, regardless of how slow it may be going, a moving coaster train is VERY dangerous. Therefore, puting a live actor in that situation would cost a lot insurance wise in addition to the breaks, sick days, etc.
Second, control of the Yeti might leave WDI. Right now, all live actors are under Entertainment (not WDI or Attractions). Since the Yeti would not be a "host," he would likely be a character. This adds onto the demands ad would make fusing the two together difficult. This might not be the case, but it is possible.
Finally, the AA will likely be more realistic due to the size than would a live actor. A costume could work, but the mechanics of these robots are able to create movement that doesn't look so "human."
Just a few thoughts I had.
Also, back to another post that I don't think got mentioned, the HM used to have a live suit of armor (where the one shifting his weight is in WDW's). The "armor" had a button to stop the ride, but several situations occurred. (1) the "armor" would touch guests from time to time (a big no no), (2) guests would attack the armor, and (3) it became a somewhat unwanted role due to the concerns and safety issues. Therefore, it was let go fairly early on.
Hello :wave:, first time post although I registered on the forums a while ago. I have been a visitor to this site since the 90's. Anyways, this thread caught my eye. I just wanted to say that having a live actor/ess in my opinion doesn't ruin the experience per'se, but it does cause problems that were mention already on this thread. The person would indeed need to be tall and very bulky to be convincing, stilts + costume + ride = potential death. Besides the person could fall into the tracks, and that wouldn't be fun. Yes, having a live actor/ess would be less expensive but it wouldn't work. As pointed out, Audio Animatronics (big time fan), do work better and are more convincing when the mind is put into mechanics to create a livly monster. Audio Animatronics just work.
pat_naughty05
New Member
Alright guys, we all know the REAL reason they're using an AA instead of an actor: WDI gets a kick out of building a 20 foot Yeti animatronic.
And all that other, more important stuff that everyone else said. :wave:
But really, I bet it is a very gratifying feeling to be a part of building something like that.
And all that other, more important stuff that everyone else said. :wave:
But really, I bet it is a very gratifying feeling to be a part of building something like that.
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
not to be mean (part 2) but this is still the worst idea even the next morning.The_CEO said:
the "human" element in this situation, even if the yeti was average human size, would be to difficult to expect an CM to perform on cue repeatedly every 20 seconds and give the same "scary yeti impersonation" throughout his entire shift...... beside, this aint your normal Tigger outfit, in a hypothetical, i would imagine that this costume would weight quite a bit more.........
CEO: how did your college essay turn out? subject? :snore: thank god those are over
fillerup
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The_CEO said:
Whoa!! So none of these elements are touching each other.
Apparently Diz has developed an anti-gravity device and both the Yeti & the Track are levitating - or maybe the mountain is levitating.
And the mountain is so poorly built that the crummy cement is just gonna slide right off.
WDWSwashbuckler
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Horizons1 said:
Yeah, I wish we still did dark rotations. When you go backstage, you can still see the places you would watch people and the like. People were getting hurt too much, though.
WDWSwashbuckler
New Member
And there were live actors because people were...erm...doing inappropriate things on the ride. The rotation didn't end that long ago.Mecha Figment said:
Bluewaves
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Umm,, lets see here, they are spending millions of dollars on a mountain to put in a realatively cheap roller coaster vs the price of the theming and building a mountian.
So why go cheap do the whole thing, I can go on any roller coaster in fact there are bigger coaster 20 minutes from my house, so why do I spend money to take a 3hr plane flight, hotel and admission thats twice what it is at my local park. Its themeing and not going the cheap way.
Thats about it. If I wanted cheap I would and cheasy I would go to six flags not Disney World.
So why go cheap do the whole thing, I can go on any roller coaster in fact there are bigger coaster 20 minutes from my house, so why do I spend money to take a 3hr plane flight, hotel and admission thats twice what it is at my local park. Its themeing and not going the cheap way.
Thats about it. If I wanted cheap I would and cheasy I would go to six flags not Disney World.
imagineersrock
New Member
The_CEO was right actually. The elements don't touch because the coaster track (as with all coasters) moves because of the force of the train. The mountain, on the other hand can't move... hence why their stuctures can't touch.fillerup said:
...and trust me, that mountain is not poorly built or "crummy."
joel_maxwell
Permanent Resident of EPCOT
???fillerup said:
ok. ummmmm. actually, if you go and look at any of the construction pics from before the "crummy cememt" was added, each element is a different color. the skeleton for the track is a dark steal, and the steal for the shell is a burnt orange steal (if memory serves) the yeti is obviously not seen since it is top secret but the housing isnt attached to either one of these.
hopes this helps and solves the mystery of the levitating mountain. david blane need not apply.
raven
Well-Known Member
Hmm. Yet most of these people on the forums here would rather ride a ride with more theaming than one without theaming. Disney was the first to use the term "theampark". Notice Dueling Dragons at IOA. The cue line has great theaming but once the ride begins, it's just another coaster. I'll take theaming over thrills anyday. Disney theaming is all about tapping into all of the senses, not just one. That's at least what keeps me coming back.Bluewaves said:
Safari Giraffe
New Member
raven said:
Well said. I love the Disney themeing as well. It helps build the excitement of the ride before you actually get on.
Well kind of.fillerup said:
When you have a large piece of machinery (ie a 20' tall yeti) next to another large piece of machinery (ie a roller coaster) all inside a building (ie a 199' tall Everest) you must isolate the vibration, loads etc from each element. What would be done is designing an independent support system for each of these 3 elements and leave a space or install some kind of dampening device between any point that these 3 elements come together. If this was not done over time the concrete used to face the mountain would begin to shatter. As one might expect steel is much more flexible than concrete therefore it can adsorb a considerable amount more vibration. This is the number one reason why theming a coaster in this manner is so expensive.
CoffeeJedi
Active Member
if i wanted a live actor in a suit trying to scare me, i'd go to any one of the countless tacky Halloween attractions around me, pay my 12 bucks, and ride on the back of a hay wagon
if i'm going to WALT DISNEY WORLD, i expect something a bit more
if i'm going to WALT DISNEY WORLD, i expect something a bit more