Just a thought on EE: cost effectiveness of animatronic vs real live castmember

retroeric

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Since most reliable sources say the Yeti is the only animatronic in the EE ride (or at least the only major one), I was thinking about how it might have actually been better to use a real live actor in Yeti costume instead of building the AA. I am not sure of the size of this creature and whether it would even be possible to use a tall CM, but it was just a thought. What does a super-complex animatronic like Yeti cost to make? You have to figure a few million dollars if you take into account the computers and parts, concept artists and designers, robotics people, not to mention the maintenence technicians during the life of the ride.

Now, say they used a cast member instead. That eliminates the entire design team and maintainence crew. At $10 an hour wage, they would probably spend just $160 a day on the cast member which would total $58,400 for a whole year. In twenty years, they will have only spent a little over $1 million. And you're getting a REALLY scary confontation with a Yeti capable of moving around, getting really close and making unpredictable movements, perhaps even appearing at different points inside the mountain which would make each ride different and unexpected.

I love AA as much as the next guy, but I always wondered what it would be like having a dark ride with a real live actor a big part of the ride. I guess TGMR is the closest thing we've got.
 

Horizons1

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retroeric said:
I love AA as much as the next guy, but I always wondered what it would be like having a dark ride with a real live actor a big part of the ride. I guess TGMR is the closest thing we've got.


Well, they also used to have live actors in the HM. They had to do away with them though, I believe it was because the actors got hurt from peoples reactions. When something jumps outta the darkness at some people, their first reaction is to hit it away.
 

Moustronaut

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I wouldn't think that would be possible for a ride like that.

Cast members would need shift changes, breaks, etc. My guess is that these breaks would inhibit ride flow as the ride would need to shut down while cast members were switched out.

The other consideration would be ride consistancy. Maybe a cast member was having a off day and not quite as scarey as the next. Or even from ride to ride.

I just can't believe the imagineers would want to give up that kind of control on how the story is told.
 

retroeric

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The_CEO said:
Get back to me when you can find a 20 foot tall person.

20 feet?? I didn't realize it will be that tall. I was thinking more like 10 feet, which could easily be done with a CM in costume.
 

The_CEO

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I hate to be mean, but that has to be the worst idea tonight.. This thing has enough force to push a 747 Aircraft.
 

Mecha Figment

New Member
Like when was live actors in HM.. and why. The whole poiont of the invention of Animatronics was so that they didn't have to use live actors.
 

The_CEO

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Mecha Figment said:
Like when was live actors in HM.. and why. The whole poiont of the invention of Animatronics was so that they didn't have to use live actors.


Hit it right on the dot.
 

Woody13

New Member
retroeric said:
20 feet?? I didn't realize it will be that tall. I was thinking more like 10 feet, which could easily be done with a CM in costume.
20 feet could easily be done in costume as well.
 

retroeric

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The_CEO said:
I hate to be mean, but that has to be the worst idea tonight.. This thing has enough force to push a 747 Aircraft.

I guess I don't know enough about the thing and what exactly it will do in that mountain. Why the need for that much force?
 

Captain Hank

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The_CEO said:
I hate to be mean, but that has to be the worst idea tonight.. This thing has enough force to push a 747 Aircraft.
Eh, cut the OP some slack--he didn't know the height of the Yeti AA. However, using live people does present some major challenges. Breaks, unexpected sick leave, injuries, and show consisitancy has to be taken into account. Plus, the AA will probably have a better range of motion than a Yeti costume. Good idea, though, and some of the introductions of live characters into attractions (MuppetVision, for example) have been very effectve. I just don't think it's the right answer in this case (height nonwithstanding).
 

retroeric

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The_CEO said:
I have a college essay due in the morning, I don't really have time to type the specs of this beast.

I don't need specs. I can get that from the front page. Tell me "why" it needs that much force, enough to push an aircraft. A typical AA just moves around through pre-programmed computerized movements, but this one hints at something more. Like it will literally be using that force to "push" tracks or something to that effect. Why don't you fill me in on this next generation AA? Shouldn't take long for you.
 

Woody13

New Member
Captain Hank said:
Eh, cut the OP some slack--he didn't know the height of the Yeti AA. However, using live people does present some major challenges. Breaks, unexpected sick leave, injuries, and show consisitancy has to be taken into account. Plus, the AA will probably have a better range of motion than a Yeti costume. Good idea, though, and some of the introductions of live characters into attractions (MuppetVision, for example) have been very effectve. I just don't think it's the right answer in this case (height nonwithstanding).
Let's not forget The Little Mermaid...
 

Captain Hank

Well-Known Member
Okay, pure conjecture on my part: It probably has to do with the compliance system. Copliance allows the force created by an Animatronic's movement to be absorbed by that animatronic's body. In previous generations, if an animatronic made a large, abrupt movement, the figure would shake back and forth because of the force created by the movement. Compliance (which came into being in the late 90s) allows for larger, faster, and far more realistic movements without the problem of shaking. Since this is such a ginormous animatronic (possibly the largest on American soil, though I'm not sure about that), I'd imagine it would need quite a system just to make the movements required of it, and quite a system to comply with these movements.
 

The_CEO

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The Yeti's structure can't touch the mountain, or coaster track.

The mountain can't touch either the Yeti or the coaster track.

The coaster track can't touch the mountain or yeti.

Why? Because the vibrations from two of those elements would cause the cement to crack off the mountain.

Now the yeti needs that force generally because it is 20 + ft tall. Weighing in at a few tons, not sure exact weight. So in translation the force to make this guy move fast and life like, is to move a 747.
 

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