Californian Elitist
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The park overall won't be the same once Star Wars Land is built, let alone the river, in terms of the feel.
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Jungle Book Cruise... You Just *Know* They're Thinking About It
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The park overall won't be the same once Star Wars Land is built, let alone the river, in terms of the feel.
True, but... Okay, I've been going to DL every year since I was born in the late 50's. For me, the park stopped being "Classic" Disneyland when Nature's Wonderland got removed for Big Thunder. Frontierland's always felt smaller after that. But I do love Big Thunder, too. Then Inner Space got bumped for Star Tours and Jungle Cruise got shortened for Indy, Fantasmic ruined nighttime New Orleans Square but gave us a great show, Tarzan turned a wonderful treehouse into something kinda tacky, Fort Wilderness closed, Tomorrowland got ruined, Autopia widened and got boring, DCA made sure no one would ever be able to approach DL's main gate from the front (it *still* feels weird for me to approach DL from the side). And the Country Bears, one of the most amazing AA shows ever created, got torn out for a C-ticket dark ride.
Star Wars Land will certainly change DL forever, but it's adding something huge and potentially amazing. It's a gigantic change, but not as huge as the addition of DCA and Downtown Disney. It won't be a disaster like the Tomorrowland redo... (we got NOTHING out of that except Buzz, and it wasn't worth it). Yet even with a sad, ugly Tomorrowland, DL is still an amazing, wonderful place. After Star Wars Land opens, DL will certainly feel different, but it will continue to be amazing. This is an exchange of a bit of atmosphere for an incredible new land, but Fantasmic already changed the river forever, and far, far less beneficial changes have happened in the past. I think it's going to be okay.
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We didn't even get that. It came after, when Rocket Rods ended up failing.
Californian Elitist
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We're talking an entire land based on one single IP, an IP that doesn't jive with the rest of the park, AT ALL. I don't see how that compares to replacing Swiss Family with Tarzan, Mine Train with Thunder, or even the Tomorrowland redo. Those changes just aren't the same.
I don't care what the river will look like once its completed, I will never be okay with what's going bad there. Ever. To me, it is a disaster.
I don't want to stray off topic too much. I wouldn't be surprised if the thought of turning Jungle Cruise into a Jungle Book themed ride. They've got no respect for RoA, Tomorrowland, etc. This wouldn't be any different.
Phroobar
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That is why I always change it to the frontside of rock!
I'm just saying DL's been through huge landscape/atmospheric changes in the past and the core DL experience has survived. Mine Train TNW was the Frontierland Jungle Cruise. It was huge, sprawling, took you to another world and ended with a beautiful dark ride finale. Imagine if Jungle Cruise was replaced by a pretty-but-shallow Pride Rock roller coaster, a barbecue area and a petting zoo...that's how huge a change Big Thunder brought to Frontierland. I wouldn't give up Big Thunder, but it forever changed the park in a huge way.
George Lucas on a Bench
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You're right. Sadly, the average guest these days eats it up. I get horrible comments from people when I wear a Star Trek shirt. Apparently, if you love Disneyland, you must love Star Wars unconditonally and fully support a gigantic land dedicated solely to Star Wars. Tasteless sheep. Here's hoping they don't retheme the Jungle Cruise to Yavin IV.
Come on. No one is required to love everything in Disneyland. Putting Star Wars in DL is a financial must-do for the company. Do I agree with the location? No, but I actually think it's gonna work. Do I love Star Wars? I did in college in the late 70's. Now not so much. Am I looking forward to a huge SW E-ticket ride? Yes, I've been waiting for one since 1977...
Wait... Why would anyone say nasty things about a Star Trek shirt? Who doesn't like Star Trek?
Californian Elitist
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Correct. Distributing those stupid surveys to people in the park about the possibility of Star Wars Land going into the park was very crafty of them because as you said, the average DL guest couldn't give two craps about the history, tradition, and the original vision for the park. Originality continues to go out the window while corporate greed and cartoonification continues. Sad.
I didn't say everyone is required to love everything about Disneyland. Star Wars Land is not a "financial must." But that's the way the company thinks nowadays. Anything based on an IP gets pushed to the front, while creativity takes a backseat. There's no room for creativity.
Good for you that you're looking forward to this. I'm not. Seeing that huge mound of dirt from Thunder Mountain and not the quaint Thunder Ranch was disappointing, to say the least. Imagining what would be going there in the future made it worse. Even my sister, who's nowhere near as big a Disneyland fan as I am, expressed distaste.
To stay on topic, I will try not to bring this up again, especially since there's no convincing me.
Stevek
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Dunno...I didn't think the park would feel the same after they removed CBJ, Peoplemover, ATIS, Mission to Mars, etc but it still feels like Disneyland. I think that SW land will be sufficiently hidden and what you can see from the front of the river will basically look the same. I hope I'm right...I guess I'll find out when it opens in a few years.
mickEblu
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I wouldn't want to see a Jungle Book Overlay but i do think the JC needs some work. I would like to see some more advanced AA's with most of the classic scenes staying the same. A few minor thrills like a little drop to look forward to at the end of the ride would be cool. Or maybe even Disneylands first backwards drop like Malestrom. Of course that would mean the skippers would need to be sitting and we'd all need to be strapped in. OR maybe not. I'm talking POTC size drops.
Californian Elitist
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This really will be my last comment on the subject in this thread, I promise.
Hidden or not, it will still be on the park map and will still be considered a land at Disneyland. I'm not cool with that and never will be.
Sped2424
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Totally agree with you. I am all for star wars getting a land over in cali. Just not at Disneyland. How does that as a land fit in with everything else they have made? And having it next to frontierland no less. What should have been done was the third gate that got the pushback for god knows when.
As long as very small children can still ride with parents. The ride's always needed a good finale-- The piranha attack was a step in the right direction. Hong Kong DL uses fire and explosions at the end-- That could work, but would kinda mess up Adventureland's off-ride atmosphere. As far as the show scenes, I think the only ones classic enough to really define the ride are the Elephant Pool, Hippo Pool and Lost Safari. They should stay forever. The Veldt could be upgraded or even changed to the Truce Rock from the film. And the more I think of Kaa (or at least an unnamed 150 foot long python) stretching over the river, the more I'd love to see that! No matter what, though, improved AAs would be a huge upgrade.
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Does anyone know what's going on with the current refresh? The ride has been closed now for quite some time.
Phroobar
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Really? What mental patient would come up to some one wearing a Star Trek shirt and give them disparaging remarks about it? One of my favorite things is to people watch at the parks. I've seen some pretty scary things people wear. I wonder what goes through someone's mind when they pick out clothes to wear in the morning. Is it appropriate to be wearing a beer stained wife beater shirt or a too small tank top or extremely stretched out spandex pants to Disneyland? Sometimes it like going to Walmart.
A Star Trek shirt is about the least offensive thing someone could possibly wear.
Phroobar
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Please read the multiple threads on the topic to find out why is DOES work in Disneyland.
Phroobar
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I think it opens the beginning on May. I hear they are still testing the loop in Super Star Limo.
BrianLo
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It's ironic that you think you are talking to a wall around here. You are so set in your opinion that it will never change as you've stated. You completely fail to see that you've built the wall, not the other way around.
I am fully willing to contend that Star Wars could botch sightlines, overstuff the park, erode everything that made ROA quaint and quiet or be terribly executed. It could turn into a crowded disaster that looses all charm of what made Disneyland a lovely respite from the world outside. I even get the concern over a single IP land or the fact it doesn't mesh with Walt's dedication (even if my opinion is that Walt basically built a single IP land using Davey Crockett and Star Wars represents all facets of Yesterday, Tomorrow and Fantasy).
Now, so as to turn this conversation into a window, can you contend that maybe it might be executed 'ok' and not irreparably turn Disneyland into a steaming pile?
That's all we are looking for here, a two way discussion.
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Phroobar
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What I think is funny is that certain people wish for things to be brought back to a state that they were too young or didn't exist to have ever experienced. In their opinion, everything that has been built in their lifetime sucks and anything new will be worst for time and all eternity.