From what I have heard it was supposed to be mostly behind where IaSW/Pinnochio's Village Haus are currently with part of it resting on the back of IaSW. AFAIK, some of the foundation for it was built into the IaSW building. Entrance was supposed to be near the Village Haus bathroom (or where it is maybe?) with the exit next to the skyway building...ie where they are currently building the new restrooms.
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From what I have heard it was supposed to be mostly behind where IaSW/Pinnochio's Village Haus are currently with part of it resting on the back of IaSW. AFAIK, some of the foundation for it was built into the IaSW building. Entrance was supposed to be near the Village Haus bathroom (or where it is maybe?) with the exit next to the skyway building...ie where they are currently building the new restrooms.
jt04
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That would be wild. Although I think the building is mostly wood frame. I could though see the possibility that they originally planned room between the skyway and IASW. And the theme was correct. And now still is. Now that you mention it, they did replace 20K with another sea based attraction. And there were people dropping hints of Matterhorn about a year ago. The area is keeping the same original theme.
Interesting. There were also hints of a reworking of the IASW queue when the FLE was announced. When BATB opens there will be a new counter service in addition to the new CS as part of the circus. And now, in addition, permits have been filed for food carts as part of the Circus. Could this allow them to close Village House, so they can relocate the IASW queue, so they could add Matterhorn between the IASW show building and the Haunted Mansion by converting the current queue into a queue for the Matterhorn?
It has always struck me as odd the complexity and expense they are putting into this area. And this scenario seems to fit perfectly. So while I can't see a DL Matterhorn on top of IASW, I could see a forced perspective mountain rising behind it above a new show building back there. There is plenty of space and room for construction. Hmmm, I think we have figured out something Watson!
-Sherlock
PS- Cue Lee, Martin and others to say this is "never" happening! Heh.
PSS- Entirely made this up as I was writing and the pieces fell together. The making of a vortex. LOL!
JCtheparrothead
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HMMMM. I like your way of thinking JT. I will wait with you while Lee finds a nice way to tell you that is crazy talk.
jt04
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It is funny when I read the post I quoted I thought it was crazy too but as I wrote my response I convinced myself it was possible. You have to admit it is possible and compelling.
I highly doubt there are any current plans to bring the Matterhorn to the Magic Kingdom in Orlando. There could very well be an attraction placed in that space eventually but for now I think they will be focusing on other lands after the current expansion is complete.
jt04
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I agree and have siad they will add any major attractions to the other 3 parks before the MK to balance the demographics. This would likely be well down the line. But they certainly have set the table. I am picturing a RnRC "box" type show building which would be completely hidden. And inside? Well the possibilities are endless.
Tom
Beta Return
I'll beat Lee and Martin and others
The Small World show building is steel - either a pre-engineered metal building or structural steel. A wood building of that size/shape would not hold up to hurricanes. Besides, look up through the long-time missing ceiling tiles and you can see the superstructure.
I've heard before that WDW's Small World was supposed to have the outdoor queue, similar to DLR, hence the lower-roofed building attached to the obvious original front wall of the show building. If they ever wanted to, they could tear down the queue building and go Disneyland with it....which I'd be all for.
But, I don't think the IASW building was designed to receive a second story, or any structure on top of it...based on what I've seen of the building. And building a ride on top of a ride would be extremely strange. Sight lines would be awful to maintain, because the mountain would have to be tiny AND that building sits right by the main tunnel entrance. Lots of masking would be required, or no track on that half of the ride.
As for room behind ISAW....there isn't a huge amount, given that the train runs through back there. It would end up being another Pirate vs Railroad scenario.
I'll beat Lee and Martin and others
The Small World show building is steel - either a pre-engineered metal building or structural steel. A wood building of that size/shape would not hold up to hurricanes. Besides, look up through the long-time missing ceiling tiles and you can see the superstructure.
I've heard before that WDW's Small World was supposed to have the outdoor queue, similar to DLR, hence the lower-roofed building attached to the obvious original front wall of the show building. If they ever wanted to, they could tear down the queue building and go Disneyland with it....which I'd be all for.
But, I don't think the IASW building was designed to receive a second story, or any structure on top of it...based on what I've seen of the building. And building a ride on top of a ride would be extremely strange. Sight lines would be awful to maintain, because the mountain would have to be tiny AND that building sits right by the main tunnel entrance. Lots of masking would be required, or no track on that half of the ride.
As for room behind ISAW....there isn't a huge amount, given that the train runs through back there. It would end up being another Pirate vs Railroad scenario.
From what I heard the Matterhorn wasn't to be built directly on top of IaSW but mostly behind it, with part of its structure resting on/utilizing the back wall. Sight line wise they could have just made it more enclosed than the Disneyland version I assume. In regards to the railroad I also believe Dick Nunis once mentioned that he had the idea of the railroad running partially under the mountain with a short "scene" for those riding the train. Although, I am not sure if that railroad idea was in regards to the original plan of Matterhorn in this location or if it was in regards to a re-pitch of the ride somewhere else in the park.
jt04
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I'll beat Lee and Martin and others
The Small World show building is steel - either a pre-engineered metal building or structural steel. A wood building of that size/shape would not hold up to hurricanes. Besides, look up through the long-time missing ceiling tiles and you can see the superstructure.
I've heard before that WDW's Small World was supposed to have the outdoor queue, similar to DLR, hence the lower-roofed building attached to the obvious original front wall of the show building. If they ever wanted to, they could tear down the queue building and go Disneyland with it....which I'd be all for.
But, I don't think the IASW building was designed to receive a second story, or any structure on top of it...based on what I've seen of the building. And building a ride on top of a ride would be extremely strange. Sight lines would be awful to maintain, because the mountain would have to be tiny AND that building sits right by the main tunnel entrance. Lots of masking would be required, or no track on that half of the ride.
As for room behind ISAW....there isn't a huge amount, given that the train runs through back there. It would end up being another Pirate vs Railroad scenario.
Dude, where to start? Obviously the IASW building has a steel superstructure given the size but I am almost positive it is covered with wood. Similar to the HM show building. Would not bet on it but I am sure I have seen photos of the buildings exterior being made of wood.
But that is beside the point. What I was saying is that they will not likely put a clone of the Matterhorn from DL on the roof as was suggested.
As for whether there is enough space for what I suggested, you desperately need to check google earth or Bing Maps or something. There are some maintenance buildings behind IASW (which could easily be relocated) but the WDWRR is about 300 feet from the back ot the IASW show building. There is so much room you could put a Disneyland Resort sized theme park back there. It is surreal how much space the designers of the MK created for the future. You could fit a mountain back there. Oh, wait. Perhaps that was the plan all along. Hmmmm.
invader
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You're right, there is a quite a bit of space. http://wikimapia.org/#lat=28.4218479&lon=-81.5820877&z=18&l=0&m=b
jt04
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Nice map. I was wrong though. That is more like 600 feet from IASW to the railroad. Two football fields! amazing.
invader
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Does sort of seem to stack up that the area shown could be expansion space though. It's a bit redundant to have two restaurants right next to each other, and then another not too far away in Storybook. Knock out Pinocchio's and you have quite a bit of room to use.
Horizonsfan
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It's not all usable land, much of it is apparently cost prohibitive to really do anything with (I think Marni is the one who discussed this a while back).
If Disney had ever planned to use it, they wouldn't have laid out Fantasyland (& LS) like they did. And if they did by chance change their mind over the course of the last 40+ years, the layout of the FLE would have been very different.
And unless they had a crazy contractor, engineer and/or architect, its more than likely that the main IASW and HM showbuildings are covered in steel or concrete, not wood.
If Disney had ever planned to use it, they wouldn't have laid out Fantasyland (& LS) like they did. And if they did by chance change their mind over the course of the last 40+ years, the layout of the FLE would have been very different.
And unless they had a crazy contractor, engineer and/or architect, its more than likely that the main IASW and HM showbuildings are covered in steel or concrete, not wood.
doctornick
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I've thought that as well. The Village Haus is a bit superfluous with the new BatB restaurants (plus another potential food place under the small tent in Circusland). Removing that creates a nice space to some land that could work for expansion.
Even if all that space isn't usable, some of it could be (since it already houses some support buildings) and there's no doubt they could fit in small smallish attractions there.