Journey into imagination incident

[Inspired Figment]

Dude, this is amazing. You should send this to Disney!

That’s my plan. I suggest you *all* do the same thing aswell. The message we need to get across is that Dreamfinder, Figment, and the original Journey into Imagination attraction is perfectly Disney, Timeless, and appealing to families. That shoving an unrelated movie IP in it was NOT the answer. Explain *exactly* the issues with each version of the ride and give easy scenarios to compare it with. The best way I can suggest doing this right is going the Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln/Disneyland Fantasyland ride Upgrade route. Another thing important to bring up is that we still love the Figment character, but that he’s not being utilized properly. And that we keep buying the new merchandise in hopes that we’ll get a slightly upgraded (new technology, new animatronics, updated/enhanced effects) version of the original Imagination attraction.

 

[Inspired Figment]

Another thing I’d highly suggest is voicing your thoughts on both the merchandise and attraction to Guest Relations aswell. That’s the only way this is gonna work. Simply venting about it online isn’t enough.

 

[esskay]

It amazes me that people are still demanding the original ride come back.

I loved Universe of Energy and old Test Track, would I do anything to ride them again? Hell yes. Do I want them back? No. Because bringing them back would be the worst decision, just as bringing the original JIM ride would. Times change. Yeah, the current incarnation of the ride absolutely sucks, and without a doubt needs replacing. But reverting to the original is not in any way shape or form the right solution, it simply would not hold up to modern rides (and yes, it absolutely needs to, given Epcots current state you cant be slapping in old third rate rides when your new guests expect more).

Be it with film IP or just a new ride, either would be far better than the original. You need to remember that your personal memories of a ride matter not to new visitors to the park. If you stick an ancient ride in there it'd do awful after the initial hype wore off. You only need to look at the attendance of Captain EO to see that.

The only ride this has worked for is the Tiki Rooms, and the only reason that worked is because the Under New Management version was so close to the original that a casual guest wouldn't even have noticed.

JIM needs an update, and old style figment need to come back, you will never ever see the original ride return, just like you'll never see Horizons rebuilt. Let it go.

 

[Inspired Figment]

It amazes me that people are still demanding the original ride come back.

I loved Universe of Energy and old Test Track, would I do anything to ride them again? Hell yes. Do I want them back? No. Because bringing them back would be the worst decision, just as bringing the original JIM ride would. Times change. Yeah, the current incarnation of the ride absolutely sucks, and without a doubt needs replacing. But reverting to the original is not in any way shape or form the right solution.

Be it with film IP or just a new ride, either would be far better than the original. You need to remember that your personal memories of a ride matter not to new visitors to the park. If you stick an ancient ride in there it'd do awful after the initial hype wore off. You only need to look at the attendance of Captain EO to see that.

The only ride this has worked for is the Tiki Rooms, and the only reason that worked is because the Under New Management version was so close to the original that a casual guest wouldn't even have noticed.

JIM needs an update, and old style figment need to come back, you will never ever see the original ride return, just like you'll never see Horizons rebuilt. Let it go.

Well, you just mentioned Tiki Room did just fine... and like I said, the issue with World of Motion and Horizons is that they were both constantly focused on innovation and the future. Something that’ll easily get dated and have to be updated ever 10-15 years. Captain EO was simply brought back in mourning MJ’s death. That show is very obviously dated and wasn’t even restored or remastered. Blurry 3D effects and all. This doesn’t apply to the original Imagination. Creativity, inspiration, and using your imagination is a timeless concept and message. True, the technology in the original attraction was indeed dated, but that doesn’t mean the message, scenes, characters, and purpose of it was. *That* is the main difference. I’m not saying to go back to the same exact ride with the same problematic 80s technology. I’m saying, go the same route as what happened with Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln and Disneyland’s Fantasyland rides. Update all the animatronics, upgrade the scenery, upgrade the special effects, remaster the audio and visual effects to be up to today’s standards. But they could keep the audio and scenes the same. Like I said, it’s not something that’s outdated. And Figment & Dreamfinder still have an extremely large following even after the fact the original ride closed. Just look at all the new merchandise and the way they sell. Clearly that's Telling of just how much of an impact those characters and ride made and still have on people today.

 

[Willmark]

When I read the title my first thought was it somehow became (accidentally) entertaining.

 

[DisneyGentlemanV2.0]

The only ride this has worked for is the Tiki Rooms, and the only reason that worked is because the Under New Management version was so close to the original that a casual guest wouldn't even have noticed.

That would be true only if the "casual guest" had passed out.

 

[WDWTank]

It amazes me that people are still demanding the original ride come back.

I loved Universe of Energy and old Test Track, would I do anything to ride them again? Hell yes. Do I want them back? No. Because bringing them back would be the worst decision, just as bringing the original JIM ride would. Times change. Yeah, the current incarnation of the ride absolutely sucks, and without a doubt needs replacing. But reverting to the original is not in any way shape or form the right solution, it simply would not hold up to modern rides (and yes, it absolutely needs to, given Epcots current state you cant be slapping in old third rate rides when your new guests expect more).

Be it with film IP or just a new ride, either would be far better than the original. You need to remember that your personal memories of a ride matter not to new visitors to the park. If you stick an ancient ride in there it'd do awful after the initial hype wore off. You only need to look at the attendance of Captain EO to see that.

The only ride this has worked for is the Tiki Rooms, and the only reason that worked is because the Under New Management version was so close to the original that a casual guest wouldn't even have noticed.

JIM needs an update, and old style figment need to come back, you will never ever see the original ride return, just like you'll never see Horizons rebuilt. Let it go.

EO returned without it’s signature 4-D effects.

 

[WDWTank]

It amazes me that people are still demanding the original ride come back.

I loved Universe of Energy and old Test Track, would I do anything to ride them again? Hell yes. Do I want them back? No. Because bringing them back would be the worst decision, just as bringing the original JIM ride would. Times change. Yeah, the current incarnation of the ride absolutely sucks, and without a doubt needs replacing. But reverting to the original is not in any way shape or form the right solution, it simply would not hold up to modern rides (and yes, it absolutely needs to, given Epcots current state you cant be slapping in old third rate rides when your new guests expect more).

Be it with film IP or just a new ride, either would be far better than the original. You need to remember that your personal memories of a ride matter not to new visitors to the park. If you stick an ancient ride in there it'd do awful after the initial hype wore off. You only need to look at the attendance of Captain EO to see that.

The only ride this has worked for is the Tiki Rooms, and the only reason that worked is because the Under New Management version was so close to the original that a casual guest wouldn't even have noticed.

JIM needs an update, and old style figment need to come back, you will never ever see the original ride return, just like you'll never see Horizons rebuilt. Let it go.

Executives do not run theme parks, the guests, shareholders, and fans do.

 

[robbiep22]

lol that must have been dizzy to see

 

[Bender123]

Pretty much. Remaining theming elements, Not that I know of. Half of the track layout is the same. But literally the only thing similar about the original and current versions are the fact that Figment and the song “One Little Spark” is featured. Otherwise, the rides are completely different from each other

The track "pit" is very much still there...If you stomp around the image works, you will find very definitive hollow areas...They just laid flooring over the pits.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I just got back from WDW and yes, I did buy one of those Tsum Tsums.

What store did you get it in? And also, was it in a specific Tsum Tsum section or with the rest of the Figment and Epcot stuff?

 

[brb1006]

That’s my plan. I suggest you *all* do the same thing aswell. The message we need to get across is that Dreamfinder, Figment, and the original Journey into Imagination attraction is perfectly Disney, Timeless, and appealing to families. That shoving an unrelated movie IP in it was NOT the answer. Explain *exactly* the issues with each version of the ride and give easy scenarios to compare it with. The best way I can suggest doing this right is going the Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln/Disneyland Fantasyland ride Upgrade route. Another thing important to bring up is that we still love the Figment character, but that he’s not being utilized properly. And that we keep buying the new merchandise in hopes that we’ll get a slightly upgraded (new technology, new animatronics, updated/enhanced effects) version of the original Imagination attraction.

You and @Figments Friend could get along very well.

 

[Figments Friend]

All 3 Figment animatronics used throughout the current ride. Sound Lab Figment is the original Art Figment by the rainbow pond, The Figment before the Upside-Down House I’m fairly certain is the original Finale Figment, and the Astronaut Figment is the original Astronaut Figment simply repainted from gray and orange to yellow and purple.

To the best of my current knowledge, none of the original Figment AAs from the Original Attraction were reused / repurposed in the current version of the ride.
All were removed during the demo of the Original, and several of them ended up in private collections.
A few are still in storage at one of Disney's many storage facilities in Florida.

The current figures are very likely rebuilds on the interior and the outer cosmetic 'skins' are recast from original molds.

I have posted several photos in the past of some of these original figures now in private collections or elsewhere.
The only figure I have yet to have tracked down the current whereabouts of is Artist Figment (holding his golden pot, casting a rainbow across the Realm of Art 'white room' ).
I can only hope he was saved by the W.D. Archives..but I've seen not a trace of him since the removal.

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[DisneyGentlemanV2.0]

The current figures are very likely rebuilds on the interior and the outer cosmetic 'skins' are recast from original molds.

I have posted several photos in the past of some of these original figures now in private collections or elsewhere.
The only figure I have yet to have tracked down the current whereabouts of is Artist Figment (holding his golden pot, casting a rainbow across the Realm of Art 'white room' ).

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I am truly impressed by your tenacity. The "rebuilds" always seemed like cheap knockoffs. Now I understand why.

As WDW brings in vast sums of money, the product only gets cheaper. So sad...

 

[Figments Friend]

I am truly impressed by your tenacity. The "rebuilds" always seemed like cheap knockoffs. Now I understand why.

As WDW brings in vast sums of money, the product only gets cheaper. So sad...

The team responsible for creating 'version 3' of the Attraction had no choice to them but to rebuild, since most of the Figment figures from the Original Attraction were no longer in Disney's possession.
Animatronic mechanics had also advanced somewhat since the Original figures were built so rebuilds would have likely happened interior wise in some capacity even if they did still have Original figures.

I'm sure they wished they DID still have those old figures, as then they could have simply reused them and saved themselves some budget money.
Now that would have been the 'cheap' way to do it....



Personally, I am glad those Figment AAs from the Original Attraction were not reused in the current version.
The current version deserves no such honor of housing those historically valuable figures.
They belong where many of them are - in the possession of those who can appreciate and value them most.

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[brb1006]

The team responsible for creating 'version 3' of the Attraction had no choice to them but to rebuild, since most of the Figment figures from the Original Attraction were no longer in Disney's possession.
Animatronic mechanics had also advanced somewhat since the Original figures were built so rebuilds would have likely happened interior wise in some capacity even if they did still have Original figures.

I'm sure they wished they DID still have those old figures, as then they could have simply reused them and saved themselves some budget money.
Now that would have been the 'cheap' way to do it....



Personally, I am glad those Figment AAs from the Original Attraction were not reused in the current version.
The current version deserves no such honor of housing those historically valuable figures.
They belong where many of them are - in the possession of those who can appreciate and value them most.

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I think an animated movie based on the original version with elements from the Marvel Figment comics would be the perfect approach for people to get familiar with the duo outside the WDW community. That way they might finally plan on making a third version.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Mouse Gear! And it was in the section with all the other retro EPCOT merch, as well as the 35th stuff. I have heard they sell out fast though.

Will have to check again.

 

[DisneyGentlemanV2.0]

The current version deserves no such honor of housing those historically valuable figures.
They belong where many of them are - in the possession of those who can appreciate and value them most.

Good point, but unfortunate nonetheless...

 

[Thelazer]

To the best of my current knowledge, none of the original Figment AAs from the Original Attraction were reused / repurposed in the current version of the ride.
All were removed during the demo of the Original, and several of them ended up in private collections.
A few are still in storage at one of Disney's many storage facilities in Florida.

The current figures are very likely rebuilds on the interior and the outer cosmetic 'skins' are recast from original molds.

I have posted several photos in the past of some of these original figures now in private collections or elsewhere.
The only figure I have yet to have tracked down the current whereabouts of is Artist Figment (holding his golden pot, casting a rainbow across the Realm of Art 'white room' ).
I can only hope he was saved by the W.D. Archives..but I've seen not a trace of him since the removal.

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Any idea on the whereabouts of the "Follow Figment To Magic Journeys / Captain EO" sign?
That and the "Narrators Lamp" from Horizons would be my choice for my collection

 

[tomast]

To the best of my current knowledge, none of the original Figment AAs from the Original Attraction were reused / repurposed in the current version of the ride.
All were removed during the demo of the Original, and several of them ended up in private collections.
A few are still in storage at one of Disney's many storage facilities in Florida.

The current figures are very likely rebuilds on the interior and the outer cosmetic 'skins' are recast from original molds.

I have posted several photos in the past of some of these original figures now in private collections or elsewhere.
The only figure I have yet to have tracked down the current whereabouts of is Artist Figment (holding his golden pot, casting a rainbow across the Realm of Art 'white room' ).
I can only hope he was saved by the W.D. Archives..but I've seen not a trace of him since the removal.

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is it true that the actual JIM is a "roller coaster" but working at the minimun speed??