Jon Stewart pwns Crossfire

xfkirsten

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Did anyone watch Crossfire today? Jon Stewart totally slammed them! :lol: All political issues aside (flamewars are sad!), he made a very good point about the influence of the media, and I have to hand it to him for having the guts to go on that show and tell them that. They tried to treat him like a "dumb celebrity" and he ran all over them. :lol:

Jon Stewart, I salute you! :sohappy:
 

Steamboat_Kevin

Well-Known Member
YES! Jon Stewart for president!

I met Ed Helms and one of the Daily Show writers a few days ago at a book event (got my copy of America-The Book signed :D). Even asked a question during the audience-asking-questions part!
My Question: If George Bush ever was on your show, what would you say?
Answer: I think all we could say would be "What the f***."
:lol:
BTW, I'm not trying to break the political issues rule, so if I'm out of line here, PM me and I will gladly remove what I said :)
 

Legacy

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Lewis Black is going to be in DC tomorrow (tonight? Saturday) night. I'm REALLY tempted to try and go see it.
 

cherrynegra

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Comments on Jon Stewart's appearance has spread like wildfire on the web and people are talking about how he completely roasted those two fools. Especially that smug, smarmy, smart a$$ Tucker Carlson. If anyone needed to be brought down a peg or ten it's that idiot!! Guess they thought they'd have some nice namby pamby celebrity guest for the show. They definitely thought wrong.

Here's a review of his performance by the people at Salon.com.

Jon Stewart: Crossfire "hurting America"

"I think you're a lot more fun on your show," said Tucker Carlson to "Crossfire" guest Jon Stewart this afternoon. "And I think you're as much of a ________ on your show as on any other," Stewart shot back. It wasn't the faux avuncularity we've come to expect from Stewart on "The Daily Show" but there, of course, he's playing a role. Here he was himself -- and he wasn't buying any of it.

From the moment Stewart sat down he made no secret of how repugnant he found the show. In fact, he said to Carlson and co-host Paul Begala that he had been so hard on the show he felt it was his duty to come on and say to their faces what he has said to friends and in interviews. What he said was that their show was "hurting America," and he was being only slightly hyperbolic. Stewart told them that when America needed journalists to be journalists they had instead chosen to present theater.

Carlson, trying to affect an air of dry amusement that a comedian would presume to lecture him, important pundit that he is, but looking as if his bow-tie were about to start spinning, could barely contain his outrage. In an absolutely mind-boggling moment, Carlson tried to counter Stewart's criticism by pointing out that during John Kerry's recent appearance on "The Daily Show," Stewart asked the candidate softball questions. "If you want to measure yourself against a comedy show," Stewart said, "be my guest."

Paul Begala tried to put a more conciliatory face on things by pointing out that theirs was a "debate" show. Stewart was having none of it. "I would love to see a real debate show," he said. And went on to tell them that instead of holding politicians' feet to the fire by asking tough question, "you're part of their strategy. You're partisan -- what's the word? -- uh, hacks."

It's almost a cliche by now to talk about "The Daily Show" being more trusted than real newscasts, but Stewart showed why. He pointed out to Carlson that he had asked Kerry if he really were in Cambodia but "I don't care," and when Carlson asked him what he thought about the "Bill O'Reilly vibrator flap," Stewart said, "I don't." It was as concise a demonstration of the triviality of the media as you could hope for.

"I thought you were going to be funny," Carlson said toward the end of the interview. Stewart responded, "No, I'm not going to be your monkey." And that was what was so bracing.

Stewart's "Crossfire" appearance is going to generate talk about how prickly he was, how he wasn't "nice" like he is on "The Daily Show." But prickliness is just what was needed. If you've built your reputation as a satirist pointing out how the media falls down on the job, you're not going to make yourself a part of their charade.

I've heard people talk about "The Daily Show" as an oasis of sanity, a public service. I couldn't agree more. Stewart's appearance on "Crossfire" was another public service. He went on and acted as if the show's purpose really was to confront tough issues, instead of being the political equivalent of pro wrestling. Given a chance to say absolutely what he thought, Stewart took it. He accomplished what almost never happens on television anymore: He made the dots come alive.

-- Charles Taylor
 

xfkirsten

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That article is dead on. I've been watching the Daily Show since Jon Stewart took over, and his appearance on Crossfire was nothing like The Daily Show. He was completely serious, said what he felt. It was a breath of fresh air, and it showed just how smart he really is. Let that be the last time that "serious" journalists get haughty about their own intelligence!
 

Legacy

Well-Known Member
I'm really mad I missed it now.

I figured Stewart would just "hold his own". I know he is a smart enough guy to out talk anybody (he did it to Dennis Miller of all people), and I thought Crossfire would be interesting with him on it... I really missed out. I wonder if CNN is going to show clips or if it's going to get brushed under the rug.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
That was great!

I wish he would have gotten to talk more without being interrupted, because he was making solid points. I loved it.

Legacy: click the video link. The whole thing is right there to watch.
 

The Mom

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Premium Member
I agree with what Jon Stewart said 100%!

It seems like "news" has become entertainment, and entertainment has become "news" and the general public is having a hell of a time trying to figure out which is which! I'm not even sure there is such a thing as "pure" news anymore; EVERY outlet has their own bias toward one side or the other. (But I'm not sure that's anything new; we just didn't realize it 30 years ago. :animwink: )

What is most disturbing, and which I think was Jon's main point, is how the media exacerbates the polarization of the American people. Each side feels it's necessary to completely demonize the other in order to present their point of view. A show like Crossfire is just an exaggeration of that attitude, and serves to validate the extreme views held by members of both political parties.

The average citizen just wants the facts without the hyberbole or editorialization, and our media is letting us down, regardless of where they stand politically.

Whatever the outcome in November, I fear that we're going to have another 4 years of the losing side working to keep the animosity going, rather than trying to unite us.

That's as political as I intend to get around here. I hope everyone else will follow suit. :animwink:
 

cherrynegra

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Mom you and I, and I suspect everyone else on this thread, are so on the same page. This is why the American public has lost any and all respect for journalists. When did news become entertainment? Crossfire is nothing more than another form of WWF Smackdown for those who supposedly consider themselves enlightened and intelligent. Give me a break!! That show is nothing but an excuse for opposing sides to jump on their soapboxes and scream at the top of their lungs trying to outdo one another.

As quoted in the article,
Stewart told them that when America needed journalists to be journalists they had instead chosen to present theater.
Exactly!! Go out there and do your jobs journalists of America. Leave the comedy to the comedians!!
 

pisco

New Member
cherrynegra said:
Mom you and I, and I suspect everyone else on this thread, are so on the same page. This is why the American public has lost any and all respect for journalists. When did news become entertainment? Crossfire is nothing more than another form of WWF Smackdown for those who supposedly consider themselves enlightened and intelligent. Give me a break!! That show is nothing but an excuse for opposing sides to jump on their soapboxes and scream at the top of their lungs trying to outdo one another.

As quoted in the article, Exactly!! Go out there and do your jobs journalists of America. Leave the comedy to the comedians!!
News became entertainment when the need for ratings became greater than the need to maintain journalistic integrity. Having worked in the industry in the past I can tell you that being first with a story was always far more important than getting the facts right. Because being first means that your ratings (or circulation) go up and with higher numbers comes higher ad revenues.

Remember, when publicly owned companies like Viacom, Disney or GE own the news channels, their #1 concern is no longer informing the public. It is making the shareholders happy. And as we all know, entertainment shows get better ratings than hardcore news shows. Otherwise, Washington Week in Review would be on in Prime Time and Will and Grace would be on Sunday mornings.

It's business and nothing else.
 

doop

Well-Known Member
I love Jon Stewart, he is so funny. By the way, do you happen to play Counter-Strike, because that's the only place i've ever seen someone use the word "pwns."
 

xfkirsten

New Member
Original Poster
DOOP! said:
I love Jon Stewart, he is so funny. By the way, do you happen to play Counter-Strike, because that's the only place i've ever seen someone use the word "pwns."

Nope... but I've seen pwns all over, particularly on fark.com :)
 

imagineer99

New Member
...and he made the appearance at George Washington University no less...

;) :lol:

Big news on campus. I tried to swing tickets, but other students had these babies months in advance.
 

Dizknee_Phreek

Well-Known Member
I NEVER watch Crossfire because I can't get anything beneficial from all the yelling and political jargon. But the other day I was flipping through the channels and stopped when I saw Tucker Carlson (I liked him about four years ago when he hosted another show...Spin Room, I believe it was called). I decided to continue watching when they said Jon Stewart would be on. I love Jon! I, like the fellows hosting Crossfire, expected to see the usually humorous side of Jon, but instead found Jon ripping Crossfire to shreds...and I loved every minute of it! I was highly annoyed through the entire interview at Carlson's constent interuption of Jon. I've always thought it to be rude for someone to ask a guest onto their show and then interupt throughout the entire thing. Regardless, I think Jon held his own and made some extremely valid points. And even though he said that he's always bashing Crossfire in front of friends and other interviewers, I think it took guts for him to get on the show and tell them what he thought. Good for him! Somehow I don't think a lot of people would do that...maybe a lot of people CAN'T do that and come out looking better for it. So good for Jon! Even though he's a comedian, I think he gained a lot of credibility by his appearence on Crossfire, and I'm very glad I caught that particular show.
 

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