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It's time for Fantasmic!... to end.
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Disney Irish
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This I agree with, the crowd flow is going to be a lot better as you won't have guests trying to "swim back up stream" to fight the crowds.
TwilightZone
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I think world of color is the worst night show ever. Even more so than rivers of light. At least rivers is creative. World of color is just boring fantasmic. Very underwhelming, especially if you have a family who wants to ride one of the rides at pixar pier or just finished riding a ride there and now have to wait to get to the next one.
As you can tell, we had a bad time with world of color. At least we made soarin'.
180º
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When I saw Rivers of Light, it was an embarrassingly poor performance. The hose screens were illegible, and Mama Lotus was a no show with nothing to fill in but empty space. But you know what? It still felt like a better show than any other Disney nighttime show in fifteen years because it was sincere, elegant, and supportive of its park’s theme. World of Color is a cynical commercial with all flash and no conviction, like an amateur Christmas light display on a huge budget. Being an amateur Christmas light display on a huge budget is fine if you’re the Osborne Family Spectacle of Lights, but not if you’re a purpose-built show meant to succeed Fantasmic! and go on to negatively influence subsequent nighttime shows with your bad format.
As for Fant, pretty much everything they changed about the show last year compromised the structure and aesthetic of the show, ranging from almost okay to unbelievably dumb. My worry is this: Imagine everything bad about Fantasmic! 2.0, then imagine an entire show of that. That’s probably what we would get as a replacement. Keep Fantasmic!, and better yet, restore it.
And get the late-2000’s green nukes the heck out of the finale! They kill the sensation of the show getting sucked back into a void. This is yet another thing made even worse last year.
George Lucas on a Bench
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LOL! Spot on. They couldn't even get someone that sounded like Kira Nerys? I would have even settled for her lookalikes Natalie Portman or Winona Ryder. This impersonation is not quite as bad as the Little Mermaid in Paint the Night or Hermione on the Hogwart train, but nothing is that bad.
Disney Analyst
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I’ve practically written papers on the brilliance of the original Fantasmic.
I really don’t think they ruined it as much as people on this thread want to make it seem. Some changes are questionable... but overall the show is beautiful, and still feels the same. People are only critical of the music because they are so used to the original.
Bring Pan back and the shows perfect still.
I really don’t think they ruined it as much as people on this thread want to make it seem. Some changes are questionable... but overall the show is beautiful, and still feels the same. People are only critical of the music because they are so used to the original.
Bring Pan back and the shows perfect still.
Bringing back Pan wouldn't make the show perfect, but it'd make it enjoyable. Pan and the dragon were really the only must see segments of the original Fantasmic anyway imo. I still do feel the show can't run every night, however, and should at least me limited to two or three days out of the week.
Model3 McQueen
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In the Pirates scene, is that woman supposed to be Kaya Scodelario?
Because if so, that's another facepalm argument that Disney park management doesn't give a flying donald duck and only wants to advertise their latest and greatest even if it's trash like Dead Men Tell No Tales.
And if not, could they really - REALLY - be that troubled to find a good female voice for these roles? Like the annoying red head in the new PotC auction scene?
Because if so, that's another facepalm argument that Disney park management doesn't give a flying donald duck and only wants to advertise their latest and greatest even if it's trash like Dead Men Tell No Tales.
And if not, could they really - REALLY - be that troubled to find a good female voice for these roles? Like the annoying red head in the new PotC auction scene?
George Lucas on a Bench
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It has to be Miss Turner because she's referenced in the dialogue.
Model3 McQueen
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Thanks for clarifying. Her voice is AWFUL.
Disney Analyst
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I mean it's Weekends only for huge chunks of the year...
PiratesMansion
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I never viewed the original Fantasmic as a flawless masterpiece, and I don't understand how the current show can be viewed as anything other than an unambiguous improvement in most cases.
Sure, the Pirates sequence isn't great, but to be honest I was never impressed by the Peter Pan section either. I do wish that the reveal of the dragon was still a surprise. But in every other way I think the new show is an improvement.
IMO they kept the truly iconic moments of the show intact. I never thought there was anything special about, say, the Pinocchio sequence; to me, that was always filler so they'd have time to set up the iconic moments. If you preferred the old filler over the new, fine. But if the show had gotten regular upgrades throughout its lifetime as was originally intended, much of the original show would have gone away far sooner.
I really think that this is another example of some people seeing the same piece of entertainment too many times and becoming overly attached, much like the crazies who camped out all day for MSEP last year.
As for doing away with a nighttime show on the ROA in general, I think we would sooner see Haunted Mansion Holiday limited to November and December. It's simply too popular and profitable for them to do away with for the foreseeable future.
Sure, the Pirates sequence isn't great, but to be honest I was never impressed by the Peter Pan section either. I do wish that the reveal of the dragon was still a surprise. But in every other way I think the new show is an improvement.
IMO they kept the truly iconic moments of the show intact. I never thought there was anything special about, say, the Pinocchio sequence; to me, that was always filler so they'd have time to set up the iconic moments. If you preferred the old filler over the new, fine. But if the show had gotten regular upgrades throughout its lifetime as was originally intended, much of the original show would have gone away far sooner.
I really think that this is another example of some people seeing the same piece of entertainment too many times and becoming overly attached, much like the crazies who camped out all day for MSEP last year.
As for doing away with a nighttime show on the ROA in general, I think we would sooner see Haunted Mansion Holiday limited to November and December. It's simply too popular and profitable for them to do away with for the foreseeable future.
A fact: there is far too much show infrastructure built into the Rivers of America to do away with nighttime spectaculars there altogether. Whether or not it's Fantasmic!, there will always be a nighttime show on the Rivers of America.
An opinion: Fantasmic! (2017) is superior to Fantasmic! (1992) in nearly every way, the sole exception being the Pirates segment (which itself also has some positives to be found). Fantasmic! went from being an aimless showcase of "Mickey's imagination", with about as much story as a fireworks show, to a show with an actual honest-to-goodness story. I firmly believe that if the show team in 1992 had the technology equivalent to what we have today, they would have built the 2017 version (again, Pirates segment excluded).
An opinion: Fantasmic! (2017) is superior to Fantasmic! (1992) in nearly every way, the sole exception being the Pirates segment (which itself also has some positives to be found). Fantasmic! went from being an aimless showcase of "Mickey's imagination", with about as much story as a fireworks show, to a show with an actual honest-to-goodness story. I firmly believe that if the show team in 1992 had the technology equivalent to what we have today, they would have built the 2017 version (again, Pirates segment excluded).
SuddenStorm
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And the intro and finale. But it's also the quality of the lesser segments in between the Pan and dragon segments that help make those segments great- by getting the audience into a place where they're willing to buy into the illusion of those two bits.
SuddenStorm
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I'd be curious to hear more about why this is?
Why does a show that's very reminiscent of a dream need a linear story? The original Fantasmic! was very experiential, yes there were distinct chapters, and the villain segment acted as a kind of story, but as a whole the show was a very abstract experience- as the best Disney experiences are. I think trying to shoehorn a linear story into a show that wasn't designed for it worked to bring down the new show, not enhance it.
Fantasmic, much like the Fireworks, was meant to be an emotional, jaw dropping experience. It's a nighttime spectacular, not a show. The same way Space Mountain and Big Thunder are experiential- yes, it has show elements during the lift and finale, but they don't try to shoehorn in a story to a format that doesn't support it. People don't watch the fireworks to be told a story, they watch them to be wowed both emotionally and mentally, just like people don't ride a roller coaster to be told a story about superheroes chasing a baby.
Fantasmic, much like how the fireworks used to be done, was a carefully choreographed medley of Disney experiences, tied together by a new theme- featuring a newly recorded tracks for the show. This new version falls under the Disney greatest hits clip show curse that's plagued just about every show Disney's done for the last decade (I'm still surprised Under the Sea didn't get a bit in the new show).
Fantasmic was a show that increased in emotion and intensity, culminating with the Dragon and Sorcerer Mickey finale. It didn't need story beyond that. Instead, this new version has Mickey oooing and ahhhing to himself as he discovers the power he has in his imagination, and making weird deals with the mirror.
The problem with introducing a story, is now every scene has to work to enhance that story. What does Pirates have to do with whatever the story is? How does Pink Elephants on Parade help the story? How does mashing the Jungle Book and Lion King together since they're both "jungle" based films help the story?
If this new show lasts 25 years without significant changes, I'll be very surprised.
SuddenStorm
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Never forget what one was
I'll never understand how the new segment got approved. If you're gonna replace Pan with Sparrow, at least make the new scene good.
shortstop
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Peter Pan is irrelevant - kids don’t even know who he is. Didn’t you know that?
Disney Irish
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I always got the impression they tried to take the basics of Sorcerer's Apprentice in Fantasia and expand upon it. So to me there was always a basic linear story of what happens when Mickey dreams....