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Is Tomorrowland dated to you?
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Mouse_Trap
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I think the land holds up pretty well appearance wise, it still has a more futuristic look to it.
That's probably because this is something we haven't evolved much on in 50 years. Many of the space age designs then still hold today, generally I think because we haven't embraced the design into our everyday lives.
However, the rides are firmly stuck in a time warp. Really they should all be closed and replaced, maybe Buzz could stay a little longer and Alien Encounter return instead of the awful Stitch.
That's probably because this is something we haven't evolved much on in 50 years. Many of the space age designs then still hold today, generally I think because we haven't embraced the design into our everyday lives.
However, the rides are firmly stuck in a time warp. Really they should all be closed and replaced, maybe Buzz could stay a little longer and Alien Encounter return instead of the awful Stitch.
rct247
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I really don't feel like it is dated. The dated feel comes from the fact that was pointed out by TubaGeek that it is "The Future That Never Was... Is Finally Here". This means that it takes the visions of the future from the past and brings them to life in a Science Fiction Fantasyland of sorts. We have Epcot to bring out the original ideals of Walt Disney's Tomorrowland, just as we have Animal Kingdom to bring out the serious tones of Adventureland. The "New Tomorrowland" of the 90s was supposed to have a 1930s futurism look to it along with references to Flash Gordon & Jules Verne. That's why there are so many references to gears and "Deco Tech".
I'd love to see Tomorrowland get some plusing and refreshing, but I think it is doing very well. Part of the issues is that the stainless steel that is used so heavily in the land has in many aspects become part of our reality today. Tomorrowland should continue to draw from past futurism to define itself. I think that the attractions are most of the issue as everyone has pointed out. Buzz Lightyear is a great attraction, but has become dated and tired compared to Toy Story Midway Mania. I don't mind Buzz being in Tomorrowland. Stitch, the character, fits in Tomorrowland too, but the attraction is god awful. According to the Pixar Theory, Monsters Inc fits in the future too, but somehow the attraction doesn't seem to fit. I would love to see the Tomorrowland Speedway in three ways: completely gone, completely futuristic, or turns into Sugar Rush to tie in videogames with future and Sugar Rush landscape with Fantasyland.
Tomorrowland could be improved upon with more aspects of Tron lighting and hologram-esque signage, but all of that can only be enjoyed at night. I don't mind Tomorrowland being a galactic city, but it should more defined as such again. Tomorrowland has lot of show elements to fix and attractions to update and refresh, but the 90s retheme is still holding up pretty well. I would be afraid to see it change too much.
I'd love to see Tomorrowland get some plusing and refreshing, but I think it is doing very well. Part of the issues is that the stainless steel that is used so heavily in the land has in many aspects become part of our reality today. Tomorrowland should continue to draw from past futurism to define itself. I think that the attractions are most of the issue as everyone has pointed out. Buzz Lightyear is a great attraction, but has become dated and tired compared to Toy Story Midway Mania. I don't mind Buzz being in Tomorrowland. Stitch, the character, fits in Tomorrowland too, but the attraction is god awful. According to the Pixar Theory, Monsters Inc fits in the future too, but somehow the attraction doesn't seem to fit. I would love to see the Tomorrowland Speedway in three ways: completely gone, completely futuristic, or turns into Sugar Rush to tie in videogames with future and Sugar Rush landscape with Fantasyland.
Tomorrowland could be improved upon with more aspects of Tron lighting and hologram-esque signage, but all of that can only be enjoyed at night. I don't mind Tomorrowland being a galactic city, but it should more defined as such again. Tomorrowland has lot of show elements to fix and attractions to update and refresh, but the 90s retheme is still holding up pretty well. I would be afraid to see it change too much.
Goofnut1980
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All I can say to that is.. BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's great!
Weather_Lady
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I'm still a bit stunned that Tomorrowland has Stitch and the Monsters (although at least there is some kind of argument that the Monsters use "advanced technology"), but not Wall-E. I thought that movie screamed out for an intelligent, futuristic, conservation-minded dark ride that would be perfect for Tomorrowland (perhaps with ride vehicles like the levitating chairs used by the people in the film, with some level of interactivity via the buttons they use to control the chair or request things), and am surprised that it hasn't happened.
That being said, I don't find Tomorrowland dated, but I think it's because I see it as a historical representation of all the things people have imagined "tomorrow" would hold, rather than a herald of actual technologies that are on the cutting edge. I look to Future World in Epcot for that (and I do find Future World wanting in that respect, but it is what it is).
That being said, I don't find Tomorrowland dated, but I think it's because I see it as a historical representation of all the things people have imagined "tomorrow" would hold, rather than a herald of actual technologies that are on the cutting edge. I look to Future World in Epcot for that (and I do find Future World wanting in that respect, but it is what it is).
Hobnail Boot
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I don't find Tomorrowland dated, but once you're past Rockettower Plaza it leaves alot to be desired. I love the Avenue of Planets, especially at night with the lights and kinetics in the area, but all the areas they never got around to updating are really showing its age and has always clashed with the new Tomorrowland theme. If they fixed that and replaced Stitch and Monsters, it would be my favorite land. But since I don't forsee that happening anytime soon, Liberty Square remains my favorite.
UofMGuy423
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Dated? No. I think the Sonic the Hedgehog meets Jules Verne with neon tubes look they put together in the '90s has held up surprisingly well. It only really comes together at night, but overall it's the best-looking of the various Disney Tomorrowlands.
The problem is that the look and theme of 90's Tomorrlowand has been diluted and confused by the influx of too many cartoony attractions (Monsters Incorporated, Stitch, Toy Story, etc.)
The design language of the land still suggests more manic, slightly dangerous attractions like Timekeeper and Alien Encounter, so the current attraction lineup creates a dissonance between the interiors and exterior of the land.
This ^^
I've always felt the current attraction line-up of Pixar and Stitch conflicts with the its themed purpose. It didn't have that problem with AE or Time Keeper. Throwing Buzz in there was the beginning of its slide towards a sci-fi cartoon land
imagineer boy
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I definately agee that the land still LOOKS great. Especially avenue of the planets. The real problem is the rides. Stitch sucks, Monsters inc doesn't belong, Buzz is unnecessary (do we really need two toy story shooting rides at WDW, plus Midway Mania is vastly superior), the indy speedway is dated and the gas run cars are awful, CoP's finale is dated, and Space Mountain's refurb was botched horribly. It really needs more of an interior facelift rather than exterior.
Beholder
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Being in the MK, I have no problem with TL looking a bit more sci-fi/fantasy, but I really dislike Stitch and Buzz being here. Take them out, along with the Speedway, and replace them with Wall-E or Tron or The Black Hole or a retro Jules Verne, H.G. Wells oriented attraction. Throw in a multi level interactive airship and I'm happy.
DManRightHere
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Arcitecture is great. Music (from what I can remember) was good. Could use actual tomorrowland like attractions. Space mountain, astro orbiter, transport, COP can stay, but all of those attractions could use tweaking.
mahnamahna101
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Stitch - TRON
Laugh Floor - H.G. Wells/Jules Verne inspired (Timekeeper)
Buzz - WALL-E
Speedway - bulldozed for Wreck-it Ralph RSR-style ride with Mario Kart-style elements
Astro Orbiter elevated
PeopleMover, CoP and Space Mountain get nice refurbs
JiminyandTink
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I love the sort of retro-future theme. To me it's a timeless view into what we once thought the future would look like. This is much of what I love about Future World as well. They both have a very nostalgic and exciting feel to me.
And there is arguably nothing more magical that Tomorrowland at night.
And there is arguably nothing more magical that Tomorrowland at night.
I feel the exact same way!
MikeTaylorSound
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Tomorrowland's theme was meant to be a fun model of what the 60's-70's vision of what the future was going to be like that would easily draw kids in... Grand Prix Raceway, Skyway to Fantasyland, Space Mountain, CoP, Star Jets, PeopleMover, If You had Wings...
EPCOT would be the valid area to focus on from the original post's question. EPCOT was meant to include cutting edge technology, interactive attractions, and always keeping up with times or ahead of them. The stagnation in this area hurts the overall motif of the park and the installation of M:S and the updates to TT are the only recent additions that could be used as examples, but those attractions have a limited demographic, so the attempt is not being seen by all parties. Soarin' was just put in because fans wanted it in WDW, loosely fits in with The Land area.
EPCOT would be the valid area to focus on from the original post's question. EPCOT was meant to include cutting edge technology, interactive attractions, and always keeping up with times or ahead of them. The stagnation in this area hurts the overall motif of the park and the installation of M:S and the updates to TT are the only recent additions that could be used as examples, but those attractions have a limited demographic, so the attempt is not being seen by all parties. Soarin' was just put in because fans wanted it in WDW, loosely fits in with The Land area.
Csmith041177
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Dated???? Maybe. Do I still love it? Yes. However, I do think it needs some updates, re-theming and freshening up.
danpam1024
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1. YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! It's a classic- don't you remember as a little kid getting to "drive a car"? And how exciting it was?!?!
2. Replace MI with an MI Coaster- but don't have construction take as long as the mine train, unless they actually strap you on doors
3. I agree, although it is one of DS old favs, it's got to go- it's "junky" compared to TSMM
4. I liked the original Alien Encounter- it was pretty cool. I've always thought they could really do something with the Rocketeer- it's retro and would really fit in there.
I think "Tomorrowland" is how it's supposed to be- the Tomorrowland of yesteryear. A simple modern time that's timeless.
mahnamahna101
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1. YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! It's a classic- don't you remember as a little kid getting to "drive a car"? And how exciting it was?!?!
2. Replace MI with an MI Coaster- but don't have construction take as long as the mine train, unless they actually strap you on doors
3. I agree, although it is one of DS old favs, it's got to go- it's "junky" compared to TSMM
4. I liked the original Alien Encounter- it was pretty cool. I've always thought they could really do something with the Rocketeer- it's retro and would really fit in there.
I think "Tomorrowland" is how it's supposed to be- the Tomorrowland of yesteryear. A simple modern time that's timeless.
There's nothing futuristic about a gokart track
plus it goes 8 mph so there's minimal thrill. Wreck-it Ralph would provide a transition between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland (Sugar Rush and Hero's Duty - you pick which track you take), and allow for a nice E-ticket in a massive plot of land wasted on a C-ticket kiddie rideLaugh Floor doesn't have enough room for a coaster, plus Space Mountain is right by. Stage 1 next to Toy Story Midway Mania is perfect!
If Disney ever got the rights to Marvel at WDW, Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy would be a seamless replacement for Buzz.
I'd prefer Alien Encounter come back, but I don't want TRON taking over the PeopleMover, so I'd prefer the grid go here.
BoarderPhreak
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Dated? No. It was always a "50s atomic age" kind of place... And still is.
That's not to say I wouldn't like to see some updates to the place. For one thing, and for the love of all that is Disney - lose Stitch. The Speedway is cool, but out of place. Would I kill it? Naw. It's historical, it's already there. Maybe get some new (electric?) cars with sound effects that are more reliable. But it would kill the "real atmosphere" of internal combustion engines. Disney's already working on TTA and AO later this summer. Lose the arcade. It's a waste of space and who goes to the MK to play video games? Star Wars. Hello? Okay, Disney didn't create it - but it owns it now. Might as well leverage its popularity! Finally, I know, I know. But I'd still like to see the waterfalls return.
That's not to say I wouldn't like to see some updates to the place. For one thing, and for the love of all that is Disney - lose Stitch. The Speedway is cool, but out of place. Would I kill it? Naw. It's historical, it's already there. Maybe get some new (electric?) cars with sound effects that are more reliable. But it would kill the "real atmosphere" of internal combustion engines. Disney's already working on TTA and AO later this summer. Lose the arcade. It's a waste of space and who goes to the MK to play video games? Star Wars. Hello? Okay, Disney didn't create it - but it owns it now. Might as well leverage its popularity! Finally, I know, I know. But I'd still like to see the waterfalls return.