Is this the new standard and am I the only one who sees it?

[John park hopper]

The government with there give away programs have given rise to the idea there are jobs Americans won't do

 

[Vacationeer]

It has been the way the part has been cast on stage. You will note Mary Martin also did previously. As a matter of fact, (I like that expression), if you pull up online, who played Peter Pan on Broadway the first article I found was 15 ladies that played Peter Pan.

It makes sense to me now as an adult why they cast a woman. As a kid it sounded kooky

It's not personal but this is a pet peeve of mine. There is always someone willing to do any job if you are willing to pay them sufficiently to do it. It's not Americans, it's not people coming across the border, it's not martians. if your business is only sustainable by continually finding lower priced labor then it isn't sustainable.

I agree with this.
If I own a hotdog cart but can only afford $9/hr ($70/day) for someone to work it for me, this business is not sustainable between what must be a puny profit margin compounded by the unreliability of such a cheap worker. The employee still has to stand there all day and possibly spend some of those hours scrubbing & breaking down, etc. It's a day of work whether we want to consider it easy, unskilled, stupid, whatever. This position at that wage is unattractive to pretty much anyone except the desperate or dependent.

One hotdog cart won't make much difference in the world but large corporations are loving it on a massive scale, opening millions of these hotdog cart positions because the tax payers get to chip in the money it takes these employees to survive. It's somehow legal and increases profits, yay.

It's ludicrous to think that somebody reliably showing up to a full time job shouldn't earn a living wage. If a company makes billions of dollars but cannot pay employees enough to keep them from relying on social services, maybe that business shouldn't be profiting hundreds of billions of dollars. It's not really doing that well; it's just gaming our society well.

 

[RobWDW1971]

It makes sense to me now as an adult why they cast a woman. As a kid it sounded kooky

I agree with this.
If I own a hotdog cart but can only afford $9/hr ($70/day) for someone to work it for me, this business is not sustainable between what must be a puny profit margin compounded by the unreliability of such a cheap worker. The employee still has to stand there all day and possibly spend some of those hours scrubbing & breaking down, etc. It's a day of work whether we want to consider it easy, unskilled, stupid, whatever. This position at that wage is unattractive to pretty much anyone except the desperate or dependent.

One hotdog cart won't make much difference in the world but large corporations are loving it on a massive scale, opening millions of these hotdog cart positions because the tax payers get to chip in the money it takes these employees to survive. It's somehow legal and increases profits, yay.

It's ludicrous to think that somebody reliably showing up to a full time job shouldn't earn a living wage. If a company makes billions of dollars but cannot pay employees enough to keep them from relying on social services, maybe that business shouldn't be profiting hundreds of billions of dollars. It's not really doing that well; it's just gaming our society well.

Curious, what is a “living wage” in Los Angeles for a single mom with three kids?

An 18 year old single college student?

65 year old retiree?

 

[Vacationeer]

Curious, what is a “living wage”in Los Angeles for a single mom with three kids?

What is it for a 18 year old college student?

65 year old rretiree?

I have no idea. Maybe I shouldn't be using the overused term 'living wage". What I do know is you can't even scratch your a$$ with $70/day.

 

[RobWDW1971]

I have no idea. Maybe I shouldn't be using the overused term 'living wage". What I do know is you can't even scratch your a$$ with $70/day.

Hence the issue. There is no such thing as a “living wage”. Everybody’s situation is different, their life choices are different, their standard of living is different, choice of where to live, etc, etc.

What does exist is the concept of supply and demand - what your skills are worth to an employer and what they are willing to pay for them.

Lebron makes $20 million a year while the usher at Staples Center makes $15/hour. It’s what their skill sets are worth in an open market.

You can spend your life either fighting that concept and saying it’s “unfair” or increasing your value in the marketplace. Your choice.

 

[Vacationeer]

You can spend your life either fighting that concept and saying it’s “unfair” or increasing your value in the marketplace. Your choice.

I'm not saying it's unfair, my family is fortunate enough to not be in a desperate position... currently.

What gets lost in these conversations is the scale, severity and trajectory of this employee model. Think back... huge companies over the past century. What portion of employees were earning survivable wages? What portion of society was working for nickels? Many of the biggest companies made profits while also providing the majority of their payroll with a stable life. Now many of the biggest companies make insane profits and provide the majority of their payroll the need to rely on tax-payers. I do not want to welcome companies for exploiting our system.

Desperation is not good to maintain a stable and secure society.

 

[rk03221]

I worked for Disney for a few years and left three years ago. One of the biggest problems WDW has is the poor management. Instead of hiring from with and promoting cms that work hard from the bottom, the companys been hiring kids straight out of college with little to no experience in the workforce, let alone management. They also thought they were above everyone else and were on huge power trips, they treated us like straight up sh*t. Disney world management is below that of McDonald’s and Walmart and I’m not even kidding, I’ve worked for both other companies in high school and had better ones at those places. It’s not a secret though this has been going on for years and I say Disney world specifically because I don’t think the other parks have such bad management

Disney employees do not get paid enough. Plain and simple. As if $15 an hour is even a lot of money in the first place. Not all roles should be getting paid that much but Guest relations for example should be getting $20+ an hour, they currently get paid $12 an hour and that’s one of the most “prestigious” roles in Disney.

 

[RobWDW1971]

I'm not saying it's unfair, my family is fortunate enough to not be in a desperate position... currently.

What gets lost in these conversations is the scale, severity and trajectory of this employee model. Think back... huge companies over the past century. What portion of employees were earning survivable wages? What portion of society was working for nickels? Many of the biggest companies made profits while also providing the majority of their payroll with a stable life. Now many of the biggest companies make insane profits and provide the majority of their payroll the need to rely on tax-payers. I do not want to welcome companies for exploiting our system.

Desperation is not good to maintain a stable and secure society.

Broader discussion than this forum obviously, but there is a reason our economy is the envy of the world and we are a leader in innovation. The free market, although imperfect, creates opportunities for companies, individuals, and class mobility like no country on earth. Now if you want to talk about helping business by reducing government regulation, bureaucratic interference, taxation, etc. I’m all for it.

 

[RobWDW1971]

I worked for Disney for a few years and left three years ago. One of the biggest problems WDW has is the poor management. Instead of hiring from with and promoting cms that work hard from the bottom, the companys been hiring kids straight out of college with little to no experience in the workforce, let alone management. They also thought they were above everyone else and were on huge power trips, they treated us like straight up sh*t. Disney world management is below that of McDonald’s and Walmart and I’m not even kidding, I’ve worked for both other companies in high school and had better ones at those places. It’s not a secret though this has been going on for years and I say Disney world specifically because I don’t think the other parks have such bad management

But that’s the inherent problem - assuming everything you said is 100% correct, tens of thousands are still willing to work there for that pay and environment and the customers keep spending for that level of service. Until one of those things change, the company is being rewarded for their behavior.

 

[rk03221]

But that’s the inherent problem - assuming everything you said is 100% correct, thousands still are willing to work their for that pay and environment and the customers keep spending for that level of service. Until one of those things change, the company is being rewarded for their behavior.

Oh absolutely, the thing with Disney is people will keep paying for it. I’ll share a secret with you guys, Disney world is the cash cow. It doesn’t matter how awful the service is, ty the parks are or whatever there will always be people willing to pay to come from around the world. Another secret, Disney world appeals to first time visitors as opposed to seasoned guests. Look at how nice and up kept Disneyland is compared to wdw, Disneyland always gets the top of the line product. One thing I will never understand is why people keep going back to Disney world over and over and not go to other Disney parks around the world.

 

[RobWDW1971]

Oh absolutely, the thing with Disney is people will keep paying for it. I’ll share a secret with you guys, Disney world is the cash cow. It doesn’t matter how awful the service is, ****ty the parks are or whatever there will always be people willing to pay to come from around the world. Another secret, Disney world appeals to first time visitors as opposed to seasoned guests. Look at how nice and up kept Disneyland is compared to wdw, Disneyland always gets the top of the line product. One thing I will never understand is why people keep going back to Disney world over and over and not go to other Disney parks around the world.

For many it is simply scale, cost, and nostalgia. I know for me most of my passion for the parks is based on my memories more than what actually currently exists - Epcot being the best example.

 

[Tom Morrow]

I worked for Disney for a few years and left three years ago. One of the biggest problems WDW has is the poor management. Instead of hiring from with and promoting cms that work hard from the bottom, the companys been hiring kids straight out of college with little to no experience in the workforce, let alone management. They also thought they were above everyone else and were on huge power trips, they treated us like straight up sh*t. Disney world management is below that of McDonald’s and Walmart and I’m not even kidding, I’ve worked for both other companies in high school and had better ones at those places. It’s not a secret though this has been going on for years and I say Disney world specifically because I don’t think the other parks have such bad management.

This is absolutely true. The culture at WDW is very strongly built around backstabbing, throwing others under the bus, and promoting people who don't deserve it at all because they manipulated the right people. Morale among the frontline grows lower and lower every year as thousands and thousands start off giving their job their all, consistently going above and beyond, only to receive pats on the back (if anything) and watch as either their associates who did the bare minimum but smooched up to the right people get promoted, or, perhaps even worse, the promotional positions are filled with people brand new to the company (or maybe did a semester as a CP) who also pulled the right strings. It's very easy to lose that magical edge when your upward momentum hits an obvious brick wall early on, and your management team starts trying to slap you with ridiculous technicalities to make themselves look good on paper.

That said, CM's put up with this and SO much more and still manage to give, in my opinion, better service than basically any other theme park outside of TDL and DLR themselves.

 

[Lilofan]

This is absolutely true. The culture at WDW is very strongly built around backstabbing, throwing others under the bus, and promoting people who don't deserve it at all because they manipulated the right people. Morale among the frontline grows lower and lower every year as thousands and thousands start off giving their job their all, consistently going above and beyond, only to receive pats on the back (if anything) and watch as either their associates who did the bare minimum but smooched up to the right people get promoted, or, perhaps even worse, the promotional positions are filled with people brand new to the company (or maybe did a semester as a CP) who also pulled the right strings. It's very easy to lose that magical edge when your upward momentum hits an obvious brick wall early on, and your management team starts trying to slap you with ridiculous technicalities to make themselves look good on paper.

That said, CM's put up with this and SO much more and still manage to give, in my opinion, better service than basically any other theme park outside of TDL and DLR themselves.

And WDW giving the opportunity for staff to take college courses for free? Would a company that does not care give this to their staff? There was a write up several years ago that average time of staff in WDW is 10 years. Would someone that really hates it, stick around for 10 years?

 

[RobWDW1971]

And WDW giving the opportunity for staff to take college courses for free? Would a company that does not care give this to their staff? There was a write up several years ago that average time of staff in WDW is 10 years. Would someone that really hates it, stick around for 10 years?

And have tens of thousands lined up behind them to work there in an open market where they are free to choose any employer. Must be offering a total package that is attracting them.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

they are free to choose any employer.

No one is "free to choose any employer". There are only so many options that actually meet your skill set and are hiring at any one time. Even then, there's no guarantee of employment if you apply (part-time or full time).

Must be offering a total package that is attracting them.

Or fear unemployment worse than anything else.

 

[RobWDW1971]

No one is "free to choose any employer". There are only so many options that actually meet your skill set and are hiring at any one time. Even then, there's no guarantee of employment if you apply (part-time or full time).



Or fear unemployment worse than anything else.

Nobody is forced to work for Disney. If what they offer is not acceptable to you, work somewhere else.

 

[Victor Kelly]

Hey Randyland, FIRST TIME I've read your posts ...

Wondering why you post in SENTENCES one after the other with EACH it's own paragraph ...

Is it to add DRAMA to your posts with words RANDOMLY posted in Capitals ...?

It's almost like YOU want it to read as an IMPORTANT statement, a serious statement, a frivolous statement, who KNOWS, but a statement to be identified with the utmost importance nonetheless ...

Your use of ellipses at the end OF your sentences is intriguing ...

It leaves one pondering what the next ONE holds, will it excite, will it inspire, will it make one rise up and rebel against the masses ...

I like your style, your PANACHE, it's like I'm reading a script written for MATHEW McConaughey ...

And lest we not FORGET, he who shouts loudest ...

May often be the one heard LEAST ...

Awlraaaaight.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Nobody is forced to work for Disney. If what they offer is not acceptable to you, work somewhere else.

They're the state's largest employer. It's easier said than done for some.

They're are costs (emotional and economic) associated with relocating, improving your skill set etc.

 

[Tom Morrow]

And WDW giving the opportunity for staff to take college courses for free? Would a company that does not care give this to their staff? There was a write up several years ago that average time of staff in WDW is 10 years. Would someone that really hates it, stick around for 10 years?

The "free college" stuff is very much a PR move. I don't know the specifics but you have to meet very, very specific criteria to qualify and it can easily be revoked. I'm not here discussing whether or not people should stay if they don't like the work. I'm only giving one reason why service at WDW is apparently being perceived as being worse than what they are known for.

 

[larryz]

I meant it more as that it's only my second trip to Disney World in my life that I talked about so I don't know if I have had enough exposure to the parks as a lot of people in the Disney World forums on this site have. I also might have just looked at everything through rose tinted glasses since it was such a rare opportunity for me to be there. Again it was just my input and I didn't mean it like only people who live in Florida get an input it was mainly just that I don't go there even remotely often.

It's all good.