jloucks
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Why do you assume everyone ignored the post? It's that whole video evidence -vs- verbal evidence thing. Personally, and I speak for no one else, I am not sure I believe the verbal over the video.
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Is this really a service dog?
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Why do you assume everyone ignored the post? It's that whole video evidence -vs- verbal evidence thing. Personally, and I speak for no one else, I am not sure I believe the verbal over the video.
correcaminos
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TBH I wasn't sure it was legit. Secondly I already said my piece about how one should *not* let a service dog play in a vest. I believe I stated they are a poor working dog owner, and honestly I stand by that. If they supposedly trained this dog along with people who knew what they were doing, they would know darn well it's wrong to play in a vest or harness. Take the darn thing off and people wouldn't question. If this dog is as legit as they say, I hope they heed that advice and never do it again.
jaklgreen
Well-Known Member
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that all dogs needed to stay on a leash in public places. Does that not include service dogs? And is the beach one of the places the dogs are allowed to go? I also think that they should have taken the vest off when the dog was not on duty. I am no dog trainer but from what I have seen, all of the professionals say that putting on the vest gives the dog the physical cue that they are on duty.
I didn't google it, I heard about it from a friend at work that had their daughter do the treatments which in her case worked. I don't live in a major city and the treatment was available through a local doctor. Maybe its not a regular treatment because insurance companies don't want to pay for it, I do know he said that even with their insurance it wasn't cheap and cost them several thousand beyond whatever the insurance paid. If it is that expensive everywhere then I expect insurance companies will be trying to keep it from being considered a regular treatment as long as possible.
correcaminos
Well-Known Member
Then don't be so rude to tell others to google it. It's a new treatment that just started a short while ago. It's not readily available and for a while you had to get on the list to do a study for it. Hopefully it will be mainstream soon but right now it's not a viable option for most. It will take time for it to be shown as an effective treatment for all and become regularly used - much like a lot in the medical world.
It depends on the area honestly. Different places have different leash laws. Not sure what they are in that area. I do think the dog should have been leashed, but definitely without the vest. It really angers me when others don't follow standard protocol as it makes it that much harder for those who are responsible service dog owners/handlers. You are right, putting that vests on signifies work. Taking it off signifies "off duty" and possible playtime.
durangojim
Well-Known Member
So I hate to jump into the middle of this, but I am compelled to. I'm a physician and once a month I receive a request from patients asking for a letter to present to their landlord, airline company, employer that they be required to allow the patient's service animal with the patient. 95% of the requests pertain to mental illness (anxiety, depression, etc). I politely tell them that I don't write letters for service animals. While many people do have their dog go through some of the "training", most just say they feel a certain way if they're away from their animal. Also people seem to think that paying a company online for a vest, or dog tag somehow confers some form of legitimacy. It does not. Ironically the thing that convinced me not to write any letters is actually the guidelines by the ADA itself. It is so vague and lacks so much common sense that I could not in good conscience participate. Let me show some examples:
A person with depression may have a dog that is trained to remind her to take her medication.
Q3. Are emotional support, therapy, comfort, or companion animals considered service animals under the ADA?
A. No.
If someone's dog calms them when having an anxiety attack, does this qualify it as a service animal?
A. It depends.
Q5. Does the ADA require service animals to be professionally trained?
A. No.
Q7. What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?
A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.
Q10. Can a person bring a service animal with them as they go through a salad bar or other self-service food lines?
A. Yes.
Q11. Can hotels assign designated rooms for guests with service animals, out of consideration for other guests?
A. No. A guest with a disability who uses a service animal must be provided the same opportunity to reserve any available room at the hotel as other guests without disabilities. They may not be restricted to "pet-friendly" rooms.
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
So basically I can bring my dog with me anywhere at Disney without any kind of paperwork, and if asked I can tell CMs that it is my support animal because she alerts me when I am about to pass gas.
I apologize for being sarcastic but I get very tired of people who try to scam the system, and government entities who enable them.
Fortunately I have only seen one "service dog" while at WDW in the past 5 years, and none 2 weeks ago when I was at the BC.
A person with depression may have a dog that is trained to remind her to take her medication.
Q3. Are emotional support, therapy, comfort, or companion animals considered service animals under the ADA?
A. No.
If someone's dog calms them when having an anxiety attack, does this qualify it as a service animal?
A. It depends.
Q5. Does the ADA require service animals to be professionally trained?
A. No.
Q7. What questions can a covered entity's employees ask to determine if a dog is a service animal?
A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person's disability.
Q10. Can a person bring a service animal with them as they go through a salad bar or other self-service food lines?
A. Yes.
Q11. Can hotels assign designated rooms for guests with service animals, out of consideration for other guests?
A. No. A guest with a disability who uses a service animal must be provided the same opportunity to reserve any available room at the hotel as other guests without disabilities. They may not be restricted to "pet-friendly" rooms.
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
So basically I can bring my dog with me anywhere at Disney without any kind of paperwork, and if asked I can tell CMs that it is my support animal because she alerts me when I am about to pass gas.
I apologize for being sarcastic but I get very tired of people who try to scam the system, and government entities who enable them.
Fortunately I have only seen one "service dog" while at WDW in the past 5 years, and none 2 weeks ago when I was at the BC.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
There are different reasons for people to have a service dog.. being “off duty” even when the dog is needed would not stop a dog from performing the help needed.
Maybe some handlers leave a vest during a secluded moment of play time, maybe some don’t use a vest at all.
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
I love my dogs... I do... but WHY would anyone want to bring their dog to Disney. Having a dog there would seem to make everything harder in every possible way. One more being to ensure stays cool and hydrated and doesn't walk further than their abilities and the pads of their feet don't get burned on the sidewalk and if they're a short hair making sure they don't get sunburned. I cannot imagine taking a dog to a theme park and having any fun with it.
Which I guess is why I'm inclined to believe/hope that most service dogs at Disney are true service dogs because why would anyone want to put a beloved family member through all that just so they didn't have to pay for a daycare/kennel???!
Which I guess is why I'm inclined to believe/hope that most service dogs at Disney are true service dogs because why would anyone want to put a beloved family member through all that just so they didn't have to pay for a daycare/kennel???!
palminnie
Member
There is no such thing as a hypoallergenic dog. I am allergic to all dogs. Some of them do not shed and those do no cause my asthma to act up. Those same dogs have dander which causes me to break out in severe hives. I cannot let a dog lick me or touch anything they may have drooled on. I love dogs but can't be around them. My grandson is even worse then I am when it comes to allergies to dogs. He breaks out in hives within 5 minutes of being near a dog, they don't even have to lick or touch him.
jaklgreen
Well-Known Member
That is probably a big part of it, that and some people get irrational about their dog(baby). I love my pets, I love them so much that I keep them at home where they are comfortable and in a familiar place. I would never want to subject them to someplace like WDW. Too many people, sounds, smells, fireworks, other noise, heat, etc. To me that is pure selfishness, and in some cases borderline abuse. Look at how many dogs freak out at home during the 4th of July with the fireworks, and you want to take your dog for an extended stay like that? Unless they are trained for those kind of environments, it is cruel to do that to your dog. I would never want to fly with my pet if I did not absolutely need to. Too many horror stories not to mention the stress.
Telling someone to google something isn't rude. If you bothered to follow this thread you would have noticed that the poster asking for detail was in fact being a s--rt a-- to begin with.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
You’re correct, they’re not 100% hypoallergenic.. I did post something else about that somewhere in here. Most people are a lot less likely to have an allergic reaction to a Maltese (or similar breeds) than they are a German Shepherd, etc.
If someone is going on a flight and breaks out in hives if they are in the same vicinity of any dog, then it would make a lot of sense for that person to ask if dogs are on board, and probably take some Zyrtec beforehand. If it’s the licking that’s a problem, then just don’t approach and touch a dog, and I do promise that a dog can’t lick you from inside their carrier.
The general population can not be expected to eliminate every allergen. They can restrict and work with the allergic person as best as possible, but no one can reasonably think that they won’t ever encounter a dog at some point.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
Ok so, a couple of points here.. my dog lived “downtown” in a condo with me after living in a relatively quiet home. He did fine. He also traveled with me from 16 weeks of age. He has been exposed to a lot in his life. Fireworks, traffic, loud music, car horns, train sounds, boat horns constantly as we always lived near the water. All of the ‘beach city’ noises. We lived in South Florida, so the “heat” is a given. I always made sure to have water on hand, as did all of the restaurants who allow dogs in their outdoor areas.
We live a few minutes away from an amusement park now.. they have nightly fireworks all summer long. Doesn’t bother my dog in the slightest.
It’s important to remember that all people are different, and all dogs are different as well as exposed to different things. Just because one person’s dog may stay at home all or most of the time, doesn’t mean that another person’s dog isn’t out and about regularly. Same with reactions to loud noises etc.
I personally would not bring my dog to Disney World. I have brought him to a dog day at our local amusement park during a Halloween event, he loves it.
Maybe someone doesn’t spend a lot of time at the parks and enjoys having their dog with them at WDW? Again, it’s too restrictive for me, and my days are too long.. but I can’t assume that everyone does a Disney vacay the same way that I do.
jaklgreen
Well-Known Member
A lot of dogs do not have that kind of exposure. I think people need to stop and think what taking their dog to WDW will truly be like for the dog. I am sure there are plenty that will do fine, but if there is even a hint of doubt that the dog might be stressed by any of the things that I, and others have mentioned, then it would be best to leave the dog at home.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
Theres hope for a lot of treatments. I just hope that banks like Wells Fargo never have a say in the production of medicine.
Specially after their leaked memo about how its "unprofitable" to cure people.
Cesar R M
Well-Known Member
There is a general etiquette that says, if you're claiming something.. the burden of proof falls ON YOU. Not on the other person.
Therefore if you're claiming that X thing exists, and others ask for proof.. its YOUR burden to provide the proof.
Telling others to "google it" is rude and pretty much reduces your credibility to zero.
Also as an I.T. guy.. I can tell you that what google serves you as results, change according to your location, how defined your search is, your browsing habits and other factors.
So other people googling X things might not even see what you got in the first page, and perhaps the link you claimed you had seen on google, ends in the search page #1,000 for them.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
You’re correct, a lot of dogs don’t have that exposure..but also, a lot of dogs do.
Most people know what their pets can handle, and people who are traveling with pets typically do have dogs who are accustomed to being in public and foreign places. So there’s probably a better chance that the pets you see on vacation will be comfortable with most situations that other people assume will be “stressful”.
correcaminos
Well-Known Member
I respect your view. I didn't read it that way, but it is text and well, it's hard to know. Just like I aplogize for taking your post wrong. Blame it on reading text. It just came out that way to me.
correcaminos
Well-Known Member
No there is no reason to keep a vest on during play time. Sorry
21stamps
Well-Known Member
They were on a beach.. not in a crowded place, not walking.. Maybe they do the same at home.
A service dog handler should be able to make their own decisions about what their dog can do. Maybe they have a certain command for when it’s time for play to be over.
Live and let live. No reason to crucify people for their own lives and decisions. Especially when they are playing with their dog in a secluded area.