Is it really that bad, and is it really that good?

ToyStorygirl

Active Member
I hope you are staying at one of the Universal on-site resort hotels.They are quite enjoyable. And the compare/contrast between the parks is eye opening. The compare/contrast of the resort hotels is mind boggling .
I always stay off of Disney property for a couple of reasons. One expense and two I couldn't take that kind of sugary fun first thing in the morning. I have always been tempted by Universal resort though as I love City Walk. I've stayed in the LA Universal resort (not great but they we're refurbishing so hard to judge on my experience) but wonder what Orlando is like. What hotel would you recommend?
 

Britt

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I dont understand this "one or the other" mindset people have sometimes. I love both! We had an AMAZING time at Uni, we had an amazing time at Disney. Disney feels geared more towards my young children....while Uni felt geared towards MY age group. Both were a blast!
 

Britt

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Well, we are talking Amusement Parks (and yes, the Disney Parks ARE amusement parks). If someones physical limitations prevent them from riding anything but the most coma inducing rides on the planet, then maybe an amusement park vacation isn't for them. Maybe a nice National Park vacation would be an option.
Hey now...my MIL comes with us to every WDW vacation we take. She has a rod in her back and a replaced knee. She loves to come with her grandbabies, eat the amazing food, take in the beautiful sites. I just wish there was more for her to do! It kinda sucks to have to leave her outside with the stroller once again to hop onto another ride. She does her best, and we ARE going to a National Park, instead of WDW next year....but thats the reason many with physical disabilities go to WDW. : ) They want to be there for their family!
 
There is nothing bad about either IMHO. Except Disney is just so darn expensive!:in pain:

Universal isn't cheap, either. I would bet the difference is not that large.

I, personally, found Universal to be a bore. I am very young compared to most people on this site, and the rollercoasters were just not thrilling. Disney's staging provides the thrills, something Universal lacks completely. For example, I was scared before going on Revenge of the Mummy. It turned out to be one of the lamest rides I'd ever been on-and this coming from a girl who freaked out at age 4 about the heffalumps on Winnie the Pooh. Other than Harry Potter and The Simpson's ride, the whole thing was just not that exciting. In fact, there are some things I didn't like about HP, either. Rides like Jaws and Jurassic Park had poorly designed animatronics which were fall from realistic.

Disney, on the other hand, has so much to do. There is enough to fill a whole trip. The convenience, CLEANLINESS, and entertainment is levels above Universal. Despite what many say, each year there is something new to try at Disney, be it a show, ride, parade...

Disney is the clear winner for me-it always will be.
 

jensenrick

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I actually DO spend a lot of time just chilling at UOR. Every Sunday morning I am there at rope drop and walk the parks like old folks do the malls. I love hanging at Finnegan's with a Black and Tan and some Scotch Eggs. Even though it is still quite new, I have already spent a couple of hours at Duff's discussing parks with some Orlando United peeps.There is nothing quite as relaxing as sitting harbor side at The Thirsty Fish at Portofino Bay with a bottle of wine and a cheese board.

And I HAVE actually seen people breakdown into tears as they cross through the Hogsmeade arch and get their first full force view of the Hogwarts Castle.

I totally agree! I cried the first time I went thru the Hogmeade arch, I adore just strolling around Port of Entry and people watching, Ollivander's Wand shop is a "can't miss" attraction as is gladdens my heart and fills my soul with delight every time I go. I love the way the children's eyes light up when they see their fave superhero on Marvel Super Hero island. My cousins like to spend the whole time in live for Rip Ride Rockit talking about what song they played last time and what they will play this time.
I love how quick and easy it is to get to our luxurious hotel (I prefer Royal Pacific), and how the service is always impeccable. I love how it affords us an opportunity to dress up a little when we go to Tchoup Tchoup to eat- so we feel like we are really having fine dining, not surrounded by slobs in t-shirts.
 

jensenrick

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Almost forgot- my mom's second favorite ride at IOA- Suess's High in the Sky Trolley. Talk about a family friendly ride- we both love the excellent scenic views, and how the ride changes depending on if you board the right or left. If I had a choice between this and Small World- High in the Sky wins hands down.
 

draybook

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Universal isn't cheap, either. I would bet the difference is not that large.

I, personally, found Universal to be a bore. I am very young compared to most people on this site, and the rollercoasters were just not thrilling. Disney's staging provides the thrills, something Universal lacks completely. For example, I was scared before going on Revenge of the Mummy. It turned out to be one of the lamest rides I'd ever been on-and this coming from a girl who freaked out at age 4 about the heffalumps on Winnie the Pooh. Other than Harry Potter and The Simpson's ride, the whole thing was just not that exciting. In fact, there are some things I didn't like about HP, either. Rides like Jaws and Jurassic Park had poorly designed animatronics which were fall from realistic.

Disney, on the other hand, has so much to do. There is enough to fill a whole trip. The convenience, CLEANLINESS, and entertainment is levels above Universal. Despite what many say, each year there is something new to try at Disney, be it a show, ride, parade...

Disney is the clear winner for me-it always will be.


I don't even do thrill rides, but it's the WORKERS that made the difference for me on this trip. I had more fun doing a handful of rides at Universal than the dozens of things at WDW with CM's that were half-a......butting it during our trip. This was the first trip where I actually spoke to a supervisor ON the spot about an issue. It was the end of our trip and it really ed me off and put a damper on the end.
 

Disneyhead'71

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I LOVE walking into Port of Entry with it's mystic soundtrack and all the little details like the sounds they pump in near the different shops. So much of that just gets passed by and no one notices. The Port of Entry really is one of the most detailed lands in any of the parks. IOA is one of the best parks to slow down and soak up the atmosphere. There really is a lot of small details through out the park. Real Marvel fans are pointing out stuff through out MSHI that someone like me, who really isn't into Marvel miss. I do catch some of the stuff like on the back side of the lagoon side shops all the facades are styled after different Marvel Character's helmets. One looks like the old school Ironman helmet and has a door at the bottom with "Stark Industries" painted on it. You can see it in the pic below right under the left Dr. Doom's Tower, to the right of the yellow one (Wolverine???).

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Disneyhead'71

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At this point it really isn't really a question. I am a 50 year old single Dad who is a theme park junkie. I like being flung. I like immersive themeing. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE new impressive ride technology, I really enjoy "honest to God" 4 star resort hotels, I love eating at places that require "Resort Casual" attire. And I have 2 teenage daughters who also like being flung. And they like throwing on a dress for dinner. They are way too old to get excited about Princess Fairytale Hall. And they LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Halloween Horror Nights.

And as a single Dad with 2 teenage daughters, whose Ex is 27 months behind on Child Support I also have to take the business end of my options into consideration. We like to keep APs. So I buy UOR AP during the Florida Resident Mardi Gras sale for $199/each. So I get a years worth of fun for $600+ tax. The same deal for us at WDW would be just over $1,400. I like the fancy smancy Resort hotels. With my AP discount I can usually find rates around $174 at Portofino Bay. Which is as nice or nicer than all of WDW's Deluxes (including The Grand) which can bump off of $700/night. (head spinning just typing that). Now, as far as the high end restaurants go, Universal's best are just as pricey, The Palm more, than WDW's signature dining. BUT I really enjoy all 4 of Universal's Signature Restaurants more than WDW's because of better menus and enforced dress codes. I LOVE The Palm. Hell yeah it's pricey but MAN it's good. Oh, but I do get a 10% discount with my AP. But there is only one steakhouse on WDW property (Is Bonnet Creek considered on-property?) that compares and that is The Bull and Bear at The Waldorf. Right now, The Palm has a Seasonal Special going on until Nov. where if you buy a 40 oz. Tomahawk Bone-in Ribeye you get a $25 gift card to use at a future visit. And I can still get my AP discount. Here is The Tomahawk that I will buy before the deal ends:

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So considering the parks suit our needs better, the price is "friendlier", and the high end stuff is better, it's a no brainer for our family.
 

Disneyhead'71

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You don't consider Shula's Steakhouse to be "on property"?
Shula's is very good. I put on par with some of the better Morton's that I have tried. One step up from Ruth Chris. But The Palm and and Bull and Bear are truly top shelf steakhouses. Right up there with Del Frisco's Double Eagle in NYC. The Bull and Bear wins on ambience, but the food at The Palm is right there with it.
 

luv

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They're all good parks. I think it is very silly to visit only one set unless you have time or financial limitations. I really feel badly for kids who miss out on Uni or Disney because mom and dad think they won't like it.

Uni does a better job keeping their parks up and they do have a lot of really spectacular rides. Disney parks look more run-down and old. But Disney has that nostalgia thing going on. They have the Tiki Room! The staff is about the same at both places - some are great and some suck.

Uni has better water pressure when you wash your hands. Uni's thrill rides are much more thrilling. Disney's fireworks are better. Uni's Blue Man Group beats out Disney's Cirque du Soleil.

They're all great. It is silly to limit yourself to one side of town or the other.
 

ThemeParkJunkee

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For me, an Orlando Vacation is just that. The trip is split between Disney and Universal with a day trip to SeaWorld during the Universal part of our stay. I actually did take my two (then teens) on a Universal Only vacation once because they claimed to be too old for WDW. I live in the US but far enough from Orlando that is is only a once in a while trip. Next trip with DBF will be a split trip with WDW/SW/USO yet again.

The resort hotels at UO are great. The restaurants are top notch. The Disney part of eating involves maintaining our blood sugar with a minimal amount of complaining about Cost vs Quality.
 

ChevisMickey

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Original Poster
Some really great comments here, and of course they are all passionate. Keep it coming!

Once quick comment from me before I'm back through the looking glass. Both parks do have things they do well, things that bring people back, and things that people hate or want improved. Sometimes its a draw. I felt that both parks on my trip last week had some issues with cast, upkeep, and the experience. I also felt I had a great mini-vacation due to the cast, the rides, and the experiences at both parks.

Cast and crew positives: We checked into just a plain Jane All-star resort, 3 nights standard room. The CM at check-in was great, and that was before we opened our door to see that we had been given a suite! In the parks most of the CMs had hellos, or talked with the kids as we were going on rides. Stickers appropriately handed out. VotLM was a smaller group so the CM didn't even bother with the mic, she just went through the spiel, and then added her own bit telling folks to find a comfy seat, and that the theater would not be full, so there was no need to fill in the edges, etc. Most of the days were just relaxing, with the cast being calm and friendly.
At Uni our ticket lady was the best. Friendly and inviting. The Icee guy outside of MIB was grooving to the music. Two of the cast, T2 PR lady and Disaster host, were great in their parts, making jokes, and improving the ride experience on both.

C & C negatives: The CMs on TT2.0 were as grumpy as the people, but with the changes TDO made I would be too! At Uni our parking ticket guy seemed like he was fresh from the Horror Nights. I wasn't sure if he was a zombie, or just playing one that morning.

Otherwise all the cast at both Disney and Uni were good, friendly, and either helped us have a good time, or did not interfere with it.
 

Mark In KY

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Shula's is very good. I put on par with some of the better Morton's that I have tried. One step up from Ruth Chris. But The Palm and and Bull and Bear are truly top shelf steakhouses. Right up there with Del Frisco's Double Eagle in NYC. The Bull and Bear wins on ambience, but the food at The Palm is right there with it.
You wrote that there was "only 1 steakhouse at WDW" (at Bonnet Creek). Now you post that Shula's is "very good". Make up your mind.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
For our family, we greatly prefer UOR over WDW these days. WDW is still a wonderful place for first time visitors and families with small children. But we are a family of 3 with me being a 50 year old single guy and my 2 teenage daughters.

I think one the major reasons that people have a "less than" feeling about their Universal visits is they approach it and visit there differently. If you immerse yourselves in the Disney "Magic®" by staying at a Disney hotel and spend almost all you time on-prop and only leaving for the day trip up to Uni with it's logistical hassles of either renting a car or a Mears shuttle then spending a day cramming in both Uni parks then having to make it back to Disney property at the end of the day. You are not going to get close to 1. the kind of experience that you are getting at WDW. And 2. the kind of experience Universal Orlando Resort has to offer. I believe that if most people really want to give Universal Orlando Resort a fair shake, you really need at least 3 nights a one of the Universal on-prop resorts, take in some signature dining like Emeril's Tchoup Chop and The Palm (my new favorite restaurant in any destination theme park environment), And if you have included La Nouba in your WDW visits then catch The Blue Man Group. The Universal product really is a quality product on the level of Disney and now there are certain aspect where they are kicking some mouse tail. Mostly state of the art exciting, compelling attractions. But also their resorts are really kicking Disney's tail in terms of quality amenities and service. In April we stayed at The Portofino Bay Resort for our 2nd time, and I was as blown away as I was the first time. Stuff like 2 staff at the pool. One called The Pool Concierge who could take care or any needs or problems and the Pool Valet who would grab 4 towels for each person in your party and then ask where you wanted to sit. He would escort you to the lounge chairs of your choice. Then took one towel and wrapped the lower portion of the chair, used a 2nd towel to wrap the upper portion of the chair, used the 3rd to make a pillow to rest our head and placed the 4th towel folded at the foot to use to dry yourself. They also have 2 large glass ice water dispensers, one Lemon/Lime the other Orange/Tangerine, which was very nice on the hot days. The rooms are very nicely appointed with a Keurig and Emeril's Big Easy coffee, fully appointed honor bar with snacks (no hiking to a venting machine). The bathroom had a "Rain Shower" stall and a soaking tub. The room was quite large and had a fantastic view of the harbor. And with my AP discount it was $174/night.

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I guess WDW just isn't for us anymore. We are looking for new attractions, a relaxing well appointed resort hotel, and some fine dining.

I too stay at the Portofino. I'll compare it to any of Disney Deluxes. And yet Uni doesn't try to draw tourists to the property to make additional bucks. In theory it is for the resort guests. I loved our room 4th floor, dead center looking out at the bay. Nothing prettier at Disney, the lighting and theming is over the top. Lack of Uni theming is a Myth of those who flatly refuse to acknowledge anything Uni. The transportation to the parks and City Walk is equal and trumps Disney's boats, buses and reliability of the monorail. It is efficient, charming and fun.

Disney still warms my heart but if I try to put my finger on it, Uni is Disney of the 90's. Right now Uni is expanding and adding like Disney did in the 90's. About the time Uni finally comprehended what made Disney magical, Disney Forgot. Uni will never be Disney but it doesn't have to be. All you have to do is stare up at the wonderful HP mountain and then stare up at the FLE mountain and you can immediate tell Uni's imagineering of holy rock mountains is superior.

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First look at the buildings themselves. Uni's has far more details, from windows, steeples even the masonry details. Then look at the mountain rocks. Uni's fountains have far more details in the Holy Rock they both have. Then move onto the landscaping. Uni goes over the top making the vision look amazing. The sad thing is Uni's mountain and forced perspective went up first. Disney had the opportunity to 'top' what Uni did. They opted not to.
 

Mark In KY

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13 days and I'll be at WDW again. Staying on property and hitting Food and Wine daily. If any of you are there you'll recognize me. I'll be the 1 NOT complaining about cost, crowds, lines, wait times, refurbs, closed rides or attractions, water pressure, Yetis, chipped paint, or CMs.
 

Bairstow

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I too stay at the Portofino. I'll compare it to any of Disney Deluxes. And yet Uni doesn't try to draw tourists to the property to make additional bucks. In theory it is for the resort guests. I loved our room 4th floor, dead center looking out at the bay. Nothing prettier at Disney, the lighting and theming is over the top. Lack of Uni theming is a Myth of those who flatly refuse to acknowledge anything Uni. The transportation to the parks and City Walk is equal and trumps Disney's boats, buses and reliability of the monorail. It is efficient, charming and fun.

Disney still warms my heart but if I try to put my finger on it, Uni is Disney of the 90's. Right now Uni is expanding and adding like Disney did in the 90's. About the time Uni finally comprehended what made Disney magical, Disney Forgot. Uni will never be Disney but it doesn't have to be. All you have to do is stare up at the wonderful HP mountain and then stare up at the FLE mountain and you can immediate tell Uni's imagineering of holy rock mountains is superior.

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First look at the buildings themselves. Uni's has far more details, from windows, steeples even the masonry details. Then look at the mountain rocks. Uni's fountains have far more details in the Holy Rock they both have. Then move onto the landscaping. Uni goes over the top making the vision look amazing. The sad thing is Uni's mountain and forced perspective went up first. Disney had the opportunity to 'top' what Uni did. They opted not to.

It still puzzles me why people compare these two.

The Hogwarts Castle facade is very large, close to the size of a large restaurant and takes up a good corner of its show building complex. It's supposed to convey a sense of both size and proximity as guests enter one of its lower walls as they enter the Forbidden Journey queue.

The Beast's castle at New Fantasyland is roughly the size of a van tipped on its nose. It also employs forced perspective to give an impression of size, but also of distance. This is both to satisfy the requirements that Belle's cottage is miles away from the castle (after all, the central illusion in the cottage storyline involves guests being "magically transported" the considerable distance to this castle) and to convey a sense of wider space to guests standing between the 7 dwarves hill and Cinderalla castle. Check out those tiny little miniature pine trees flanking the castle. The Be Our Guest entrance is also designed to imply a long distance traveled through rock and over water to arrive at this space.

To be honest, it's too early to give an adequate assesment of this castle simply because you can't place its geography in its little world back there until the mine train construction walls come down.

Disney might have had the "opportunity to top what uni did" in the minds of some fans (presumably because this is the first large construction project Disney has taken on since Potterland opened), but despite some superficial similarities in the direction of the projects there was no thematic or storytelling reason to do so and several good reasons not to.
 

Disneyhead'71

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You wrote that there was "only 1 steakhouse at WDW" (at Bonnet Creek). Now you post that Shula's is "very good". Make up your mind.
Actually, I said that there is only 1 steakhouse on Disney property that compares to The Palm and that is The Bull and Bear. Not that there is only 1 steakhouse in property. I am fully aware of Shula's, Le Cellier, and Yatchman's but I think The Palm is better than those. But Shula's is the best of those 3. If I'm going to Shula's I usually go to the one near the RDV in Maitland. And I pretty stoked that they are about to open a Shula Burger down on W. Irlo Bronson Mem. Hwy. near The 429.

By the way, where in Ky. are you? You mentioned being along the Ohio. I spent a lot of time in those parts a while back.
 

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