Interesting Disney Parks Survey Question I got Today - Tiered Ticket Pricing by Season

[ford91exploder]

Why not just rent from some one else???? I'm not buying a condo or a timeshare anywhere. The only point would be real estate speculation. Renters can pay your mortgage and insurance covers any liability.

Trust me insurance does not cover any liability, In a past life I was a underwriter for an insurance company most people have huge holes in their insurance coverage,

When you RENT your property it becomes a commercial property and your normal homeowners insurance is null and void because there is a big difference between RENTING and having GUESTS.

Now you need to insure with commercial insurance which is more complex and has many more rules and or place your property with a management company which should have the necessary coverages, However you STILL need to maintain coverage in case the management company lets their coverage lapse or it's insufficient. Figure you will need a 5 million dollar liability policy at a minimum.

Timeshares I agree from a financial PoV are a terrible investment, However as a type A who does not go on vacation unless forced to from a family point of view it has been a magnificent use of money. Because without the DISCIPLINE of the timeshare I would not GO on vacation.

 

[BrianV]

Also, I am far from a computer code writer, but wouldn't it be easy to make those survey pages difficult to Copy and Paste? There was no resistance.

As I understand it, servers can tell what other sites you visit. I visit this one every single day.

I know this sounds black-helicopter-ish, but it is just a thought.

Screen capture is hard to stop. I am sure there is a way to prevent somehow...

 

[betty rose]

Trust me insurance does not cover any liability, In a past life I was a underwriter for an insurance company most people have huge holes in their insurance coverage,

When you RENT your property it becomes a commercial property and your normal homeowners insurance is null and void because there is a big difference between RENTING and having GUESTS.

Now you need to insure with commercial insurance which is more complex and has many more rules and or place your property with a management company which should have the necessary coverages, However you STILL need to maintain coverage in case the management company lets their coverage lapse or it's insufficient. Figure you will need a 5 million dollar liability policy at a minimum.

Timeshares I agree from a financial PoV are a terrible investment, However as a type A who does not go on vacation unless forced to from a family point of view it has been a magnificent use of money. Because without the DISCIPLINE of the timeshare I would not GO on vacation.

You sound just like Hubby. I had the idea to do this about 10 years ago....only problem, the computers and phones. He still found a way to bring the "office" with him.

 

[xstech25]

The company that gets hurt by the price raises is not Disney, it's Sea World. Disney can raises prices and people will still go because it's Disney, Universal can raise prices because people will still go to see Harry Potter, Sea World runs a big risk every time they raise prices. They are still able to have a large international attendance because international visitors are willing to stay longer and spend more more but by the time many think about Sea World they don't have any money left in their budget.
Jack Lindquist actually wrote about it in his book how every time they raised prices it ran the risk of hurting Knotts Berry Farm because they noticed the more expensive Disney got the less people were willing to visit Knotts. Very very few people would go to Knotts because it's cheaper.

 

[ford91exploder]

You sound just like Hubby. I had the idea to do this about 10 years ago....only problem, the computers and phones. He still found a way to bring the "office" with him.

As do I unfortunately...

 

[rob0519]

Walt would roll over in his grave if he knew how complicated and expensive Disney World has gotten for the average family.

This isn't Walt's company anymore. There are no Disney family members in any management position. It's way past time to speculate over how someone who's been dead for over 40 years would feel. Once he saw all the money rolling in, he might actually like the idea.

 

[AEfx]

This isn't Walt's company anymore. There are no Disney family members in any management position. It's way past time to speculate over how someone who's been dead for over 40 years would feel. Once he saw all the money rolling in, he might actually like the idea.

While in general I agree with you, as I said a few pages back, I do think he would be absolutely disgusted by how little progress has really happened in the last 50 years. While we revere PotC, for example, I honestly think he'd be majorly po'd that 50 years later it was still considered the bar for excellence.

 

[ford91exploder]

While in general I agree with you, as I said a few pages back, I do think he would be absolutely disgusted by how little progress has really happened in the last 50 years. While we revere PotC, for example, I honestly think he'd be majorly po'd that 50 years later it was still considered the bar for excellence.

I agree, It's tending towards MUSEUM as opposed to FRESH, Just look at how fast DL changed in the 60's and 70's before my time but I have books.

Jaws was a GREAT attraction, We miss it but it was replaced by something even BETTER, Its not like 2KL which was mothballed replaced by a meet n greet and finally wound up as pavement to park strollers on.

 

[BrianV]

Its not like 2KL which was mothballed replaced by a meet n greet and finally wound up as pavement to park strollers on.

Which turned in to the dwarf roller coaster...

I actually agree. I loved 2K. I would prefer it today. But the roller coaster is cool.

There have been some improvements. Mr toad, while missed by me, is not as good as winney the pooh. Buzz light year is better than if you had wings (though I miss the song).

 

[Rteetz]

Now people magazine

http://www.people.com/people/mobile/article/0,,20927235,00.html?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I have to think at some moment there will be a tipping point. Disney is making huge profits right now, and people (including me) still go. However, there's only so much goodwill out there. If they continue to raise prices and not offer a lot of new experiences, there will come a time when their reputation will change. It isn't there yet, but nothing lasts forever...

I have been reading on the boards about the "tipping point "for so many years, it does not and will not ever exist. Heard it when prices were jumping to above 75 bucks, the world wasn't going to go anymore. When it hit 90 you would have thought disney would be a ghost town and closing up shop. Need I remind you about the scare of the 100 dollar ticket? It was y2k all over again.
When you have hotel occupancy at a consistent 85-87%, you can't go higher. With the outrageous prices of the hotels, they are filled. To make more money is to build more hotels or raise ticket prices again. Instead of saying they are they put out this survey in the hopes of many people thinking they are getting a deal when in actuality they for the most part will be paying more. I hate it as much as the next guy but this is the new reality so get ready for a yearly go round of something new to fool people.

 

[rob0519]

I have to think at some moment there will be a tipping point. Disney is making huge profits right now, and people (including me) still go. However, there's only so much goodwill out there. If they continue to raise prices and not offer a lot of new experiences, there will come a time when their reputation will change. It isn't there yet, but nothing lasts forever...

You would think there is a tipping point, but I'm not sure. Where else on the planet are you going to go to experience what Disney has to offer? Is South Dakota cheaper than WDW? Sure it is, but after your 5 and 7 year old look at Mt. Rushmore for 10 or less minutes and ask "What's next?" you'll figure out a way to pay for WDW. We know it and what's worse, THEY know it. The Board of Directors work for the shareholders and stock price and profit are all they care about. It won't last forever, but it's lasted at least the last 25 years in WDW without a whole lot of new experiences and declining quality.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Imagine the bump Disney will get when we all rush to buy the "old" tickets when they announce that the tiered tickets are actually coming; I have to imagine all old tickets would be allowed in at any season. Some executive will get a nice bonus that quarter, retire, and leave their successor to deal with the mess.

 

[mousehockey37]

I haven't read through this whole thing and I'm not about to, so if I hit on things that others have said, sorry, but here goes:

Remember those threads where people said they would pay double, if not triple the admission price to get lower crowds?
Remember how we say that Disney has reps on these boards and are lurking in the shadows?

It's all starting to come out now... We talked about it here back around February when they upped the admission price, and some came on and said that they'd gladly shell out whatever to have an emptier park... Well, you said it, Disney is apparently reading and responding!!!

 

[CdnDznyLuvr]

We were unhappy after our trip in Feb/March of this year and cancelled our annual 10 day trip. We aren't even going to FL this summer which is unusual for us. Usually we get the APs and hit it 3 times in a 12 month time period. Now with my husband's work it is almost impossible for us to know more than 120 days in advance when his vacation will be. With the increase in food prices and decline in quality we quit doing very many sit downs. No more hoppers...no value for us. We can go on vacations and have as much fun for much less money which in turns means either a) more spending money for something else, b) money in the bank, c). money for additional trips. but no more money for WDW.

We are in the same boat - we were AP holders for almost 10 years and visited 2-3 times a year - we are not local (we live in Canada) and our last trip was May 2013. Sadly we are not looking at going back any time soon. The increase in prices across the board, even with AP discounts, was just too much for us. We have been on many less expensive vacations in those 2 years leaving us with more money to go on more trips, or more money to spend on other things.

 

[raven]

I have to think at some moment there will be a tipping point. Disney is making huge profits right now, and people (including me) still go. However, there's only so much goodwill out there. If they continue to raise prices and not offer a lot of new experiences, there will come a time when their reputation will change. It isn't there yet, but nothing lasts forever...

Along with higher prices comes higher guest expectations. If those expectations aren't met, for the price people are forking out, you can better bet there will be longer lines at Guest Relations. WDW also has more construction walls at any given time than I've seen in any other park in the U.S. I realize they are building but they seems to do mass amounts in areas all the time and you always feel like you are missing out on something and, once again, you visited during the wrong time.

And with those new Disney attractions announcements. They take 2-3 years or longer before they finally come to existance when most other parks announce a new ride it's there by the next season. I realize some of you will argue this is to keep people coming back but when they do, tickets have gone up another $20.

But reputation is key. And now their reputation is just to keep raising prices on tickets, lodging, merchandise and food yet you get the exact same vacation as the year before.

 

[mousehockey37]

Along with higher prices comes higher guest expectations. If those expectations aren't met, for the price people are forking out, you can better bet there will be longer lines at Guest Relations. WDW also has more construction walls at any given time than I've seen in any other park in the U.S. I realize they are building but they seems to do mass amounts in areas all the time and you always feel like you are missing out on something and, once again, you visited during the wrong time.

And with those new Disney attractions announcements. They take 2-3 years or longer before they finally come to existance when most other parks announce a new ride it's there by the next season. I realize some of you will argue this is to keep people coming back but when they do, tickets have gone up another $20.

But reputation is key. And now their reputation is just to keep raising prices on tickets, lodging, merchandise and food yet you get the exact same vacation as the year before.

I wonder what this will do to the international travel market? Will tour groups from the southern countries and our friends across the pond in the UK, will they still get deals and how much would they be different than now?

I have no idea what the UK and/or Brazilian promotions look like, but you would think that if this kind of change comes, it's going to affect everyone, not just US visitors.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Along with higher prices comes higher guest expectations. If those expectations aren't met, for the price people are forking out, you can better bet there will be longer lines at Guest Relations. WDW also has more construction walls at any given time than I've seen in any other park in the U.S. I realize they are building but they seems to do mass amounts in areas all the time and you always feel like you are missing out on something and, once again, you visited during the wrong time.

And with those new Disney attractions announcements. They take 2-3 years or longer before they finally come to existance when most other parks announce a new ride it's there by the next season. I realize some of you will argue this is to keep people coming back but when they do, tickets have gone up another $20.

But reputation is key. And now their reputation is just to keep raising prices on tickets, lodging, merchandise and food yet you get the exact same vacation as the year before.

I would put it at 3-5 years or longer for attractions to finally open. Can't remember one besides M&G's and possibly frozen attraction in Epcot (and that isnt open yet and it was a existing building) in the last 10 years.

 

[danlb_2000]

I am just excited to think about all the great attractions they will build with this extra money.

 

[Mike S]

I am just excited to think about all the great attractions they will build with this extra money.