Indiana Jones replacing adventurers club?

[Next Big Thing]

Then rule #3 applies of course because it MAKES MONEY but attractions without separate charges generally expend CAPEX and increase OPEX which is the cardinal sin at today's WDW.

If TDO announced a E-ticket+ ride that had an upcharge (as in not included in admission) I would be inclined to believe it.

You don't need to do that to make back your money. That would actually people off.

Carsland and Wizarding world both made back money because of great theming, a fun and true E-ticket headliner and great merch sales.

 

[ford91exploder]

You don't need to do that to make back your money. That would actually people off.

Carsland and Wizarding world both made back money because of great theming, a fun and true E-ticket headliner and great merch sales.

I've got a premier passport (which if it were not for an upcoming family trip I WOULD NOT have renewed) and I'm on the left coast frequently and I agree with you on Carsland but Lasseter and his patron Jobs had to drag the TWDC BoD kicking and screaming into greenlighting it.

The concepts of theming and quality unique merchandise are now totally ALIEN to TDO, If you look at WDW as the worlds largest strip mall the management decisions make sense which is the malign influence of Paul Pressler who thought the only moving part in a Disney Park should be a cash register drawer.

True Story
I was at the GF for Christmas holiday a couple years back, It was late and there were a few girls from the CP manning the gingerbread house in the lobby. I commented "It's a Disney Gingerbread house, It has cash registers" the girls laughed until they were turning red in the face.

The key here is that now the 'Disney Difference' is how you monetize stuff, Rather the 'Old Disney Difference' where you create something awesome and people can't wait to give you money to be part of the awesomeness.

 

[Jake Wilson]

Not happening. But now that Disney spent all that money re-acquiring the film rights to Indiana Jones they should do something new with the property. I actually really liked the rumor that Frank Daramount was writing a reboot story for Indy with Bradley Cooper to star

I think Bradley Cooper would be GREAT in that role and offer a new exciting Indy.

 

[Mike S]

I think Bradley Cooper would be GREAT in that role and offer a new exciting Indy.

I've got someone better.

 

[Captain Neo]

I've got someone better.
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[RSoxNo1]

please no

I think you're alone on this. I had a debate with people prior to Guardians of the Galaxy coming out about who could be the next Indiana Jones, Chris Pratt was arguably the best candidate. I can't think of a better option right now.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I've got someone better.
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[dadddio]

I think that they are both too old to reboot the franchise.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Here are my 3 rules for TDO rumors with examples

1 - If it COSTS money it's not happening (no matter what the Bus Driver says )
i.e. New Attractions and Shows

2 - If it SAVES money you can bet your next paycheck it will happen
Entertainment in Epcot cuts, 5 Attractions closed in DHS in 5 weeks with no replacements announced

3 - If it MAKES money it will happen QUICKLY.
Upcharge events, Upcharge within Upcharge events (villians at MNSSHP), DVC properties
new retail/dining.

Follow these rules and you will never be disappointed by a WDW rumor.

Wow! Why so negative?
Where would something like the New Fantasyland fit in your rules?
What about the hub expansion?
How about the work going on right now at AK to bring a night time show to the water area around Asia and behind Dinoland?
Are these just anomalies in your theory, or are you just choosing to conveniently ignore them?
And, just because attractions have closed without replacement announcements, doesn't mean something's not on the way. If they were closures for the sake of your rule #2, they wouldn't be in such a hurry to clear out those areas so quickly. Something's planned, it just hasn't been announced yet.

Look, I get it, you want Disney to build more attractions instead of spending all of it on technology and infrastructure and finding alternative ways to milk guests of their money. I do as well. However, I haven't gone completely negative and hanging my head in despair because of the lack of expansion that I would like to see. These kind of things have a cycle. It may not be happening now, but if you hang around long enough, it might just come back around in a new wave. So, until then you either have to ride it out, or leave and come back when it does.

 

[rle4lunch]

I think you're alone on this. I had a debate with people prior to Guardians of the Galaxy coming out about who could be the next Indiana Jones, Chris Pratt was arguably the best candidate. I can't think of a better option right now.

I think I just threw up a little bit. His so called 'charm' in GOTG was pretty awful. I liked the movie, but his acting was probably the worst of the main cast. Don't get me wrong, he had some funny lines, but most of his delivery was atrocious.

 

[ford91exploder]

Wow! Why so negative?
Where would something like the New Fantasyland fit in your rules?
What about the hub expansion?
How about the work going on right now at AK to bring a night time show to the water area around Asia and behind Dinoland?
Are these just anomalies in your theory, or are you just choosing to conveniently ignore them?
And, just because attractions have closed without replacement announcements, doesn't mean something's not on the way. If they were closures for the sake of your rule #2, they wouldn't be in such a hurry to clear out those areas so quickly. Something's planned, it just hasn't been announced yet.

Look, I get it, you want Disney to build more attractions instead of spending all of it on technology and infrastructure and finding alternative ways to milk guests of their money. I do as well. However, I haven't gone completely negative and hanging my head in despair because of the lack of expansion that I would like to see. These kind of things have a cycle. It may not be happening now, but if you hang around long enough, it might just come back around in a new wave. So, until then you either have to ride it out, or leave and come back when it does.

Fair points

New Fantasyland fits under rule #3 as it increased park capacity by about 10-15,000 people - So TDO can increase ticket sales to the MK and not hit phase closing so it effectively increases revenue by $500,000-$1,500,000 per day on ticket sales alone. Let's face it NFL is a solid D ticket kiddie coaster, a underwhelming omnimover a couple of dining establishments and the worlds largest stroller parking lot.

HUB Expansion. Rule #2 much cheaper to maintain as hardscape is far easier/cheaper to maintain than the greenscape destroyed by this project. And I can't think of anything less enjoyable than standing on a hot expanse of concrete in the florida sun. Well throwing bags at MCO is probably worse but at least you are getting paid instead of paying...

Night Time Show once again Rule #3
we all know DAK is considered a half day park by most visitors, So TDO is installing infrastructure for nighttime upcharge events because of the success of Harambe Nights

I'm a realist and I've been visiting the parks for 30 years, I've seen ups and downs from the dark days of Card to the Eisner expansion - Since Iger took over the helm i've seen the parks viewed only as how much cash can we milk from the guests without giving anything back. And to be honest the 'Once and Done' guest does not care they checked 'Disney' off the bucket list.

WDW generated 13 BILLION (Or 13 Thousand Million for our Brit friends) and in the Walker/Eisner days about 20% was reinvested in the parks and parks had between a 22-29% ROI see @ParentsOf4 for the detailed data.

Under Iger including the tech investment right now reinvestment is at %8 percent and dropping and the parks even with the cuts are performing far below historical financial norms.

If I seem negative I am indeed negative because I've observed the parks for a LONG time and they have never been worse than they are today and I see no trendlines on improving the parks all I see is financial engineering to maximize returns on declining investment capital. The only cycle I see at the moment is downward with no end in sight.

 

[pmaljr]

This is totally my opinion. Stop with the reboots. If there's still a story to be told with Indy, great! I would much rather see that. It is a great series of movies. I'm not going to like a new, young version of Henry Jones, Jr. The classics were too good and the folks playing those roles is what made them great.

Now, back on topic: do the IJ club at DD AND make the DL ride come to WDW and put it beside POTC in Adventureland or on the plot at the stage show at DHS. It's awesome and would really add something to both parks!

 

[Jake Wilson]

I think that they are both too old to reboot the franchise.

Indy in my eyes wasn't a very young guy. I mean for his degree he was young but he was a middle aged man with all of his extensive schooling behind him. He found his life passion and calling and knew what his purpose in life was. His father was quite old showing Indy was a very late plan for the DR.
It depends on how they would re-image the movies... Indy growing up and going to school and college? Or other fun, exciting danger filled adventures during his same span of life as the last movie, just played by a different character.

 

[dreamfinder]

Indy in my eyes wasn't a very young guy. I mean for his degree he was young but he was a middle aged man with all of his extensive schooling behind him. He found his life passion and calling and knew what his purpose in life was. His father was quite old showing Indy was a very late plan for the DR.
It depends on how they would re-image the movies... Indy growing up and going to school and college? Or other fun, exciting danger filled adventures during his same span of life as the last movie, just played by a different character.

Something in between the Young Indiana Jones tv series and the original movies perhaps?

 

[dadddio]

Something in between the Young Indiana Jones tv series and the original movies perhaps?

That's what I'm thinking.

If they are going to reboot in the hope of cranking out a bunch of movies, they may as well start early in his career.

 

[Brian Swan]

Fair points

New Fantasyland fits under rule #3 as it increased park capacity by about 10-15,000 people - So TDO can increase ticket sales to the MK and not hit phase closing so it effectively increases revenue by $500,000-$1,500,000 per day on ticket sales alone. Let's face it NFL is a solid D ticket kiddie coaster, a underwhelming omnimover a couple of dining establishments and the worlds largest stroller parking lot.

HUB Expansion. Rule #2 much cheaper to maintain as hardscape is far easier/cheaper to maintain than the greenscape destroyed by this project. And I can't think of anything less enjoyable than standing on a hot expanse of concrete in the florida sun. Well throwing bags at MCO is probably worse but at least you are getting paid instead of paying...

Night Time Show once again Rule #3
we all know DAK is considered a half day park by most visitors, So TDO is installing infrastructure for nighttime upcharge events because of the success of Harambe Nights

I'm a realist and I've been visiting the parks for 30 years, I've seen ups and downs from the dark days of Card to the Eisner expansion - Since Iger took over the helm i've seen the parks viewed only as how much cash can we milk from the guests without giving anything back. And to be honest the 'Once and Done' guest does not care they checked 'Disney' off the bucket list.

WDW generated 13 BILLION (Or 13 Thousand Million for our Brit friends) and in the Walker/Eisner days about 20% was reinvested in the parks and parks had between a 22-29% ROI see @ParentsOf4 for the detailed data.

Under Iger including the tech investment right now reinvestment is at %8 percent and dropping and the parks even with the cuts are performing far below historical financial norms.

If I seem negative I am indeed negative because I've observed the parks for a LONG time and they have never been worse than they are today and I see no trendlines on improving the parks all I see is financial engineering to maximize returns on declining investment capital. The only cycle I see at the moment is downward with no end in sight.

I have to agree with all of your points. I, too, have been going to Disney parks since the 70s, and they really are fading rapidly. A caveat to this - Every time I go to the DLR parks, I find "something" new; every time I go to the WDW parks, I find something closed. If I lived eqidistant to both resorts, I think DLR would get a lot more of my business than WDW...

 

[Brian Swan]

This is totally my opinion. Stop with the reboots. If there's still a story to be told with Indy, great! I would much rather see that. It is a great series of movies. I'm not going to like a new, young version of Henry Jones, Jr. The classics were too good and the folks playing those roles is what made them great.

Now, back on topic: do the IJ club at DD AND make the DL ride come to WDW and put it beside POTC in Adventureland or on the plot at the stage show at DHS. It's awesome and would really add something to both parks!

I would LOVE to see the IJ ride from DL come to WDW - it's quite probably the best ride that Disney has ever created for theming, storytelling, and excitement (ToT being the only other ride that gives it a run for the money). Problem: Dinosaur is the exact same ride (with inferior theming, storytelling, and execution in general). I just don't see Disney doing that close a clone in the same resort.

 

[pmaljr]

I would LOVE to see the IJ ride from DL come to WDW - it's quite probably the best ride that Disney has ever created for theming, storytelling, and excitement (ToT being the only other ride that gives it a run for the money). Problem: Dinosaur is the exact same ride (with inferior theming, storytelling, and execution in general). I just don't see Disney doing that close a clone in the same resort.

Are you saying you wouldn't ride them both? I know I would. WDW has lots of rides that are similar.

 

[mouse_luv]

I would LOVE to see the IJ ride from DL come to WDW - it's quite probably the best ride that Disney has ever created for theming, storytelling, and excitement (ToT being the only other ride that gives it a run for the money). Problem: Dinosaur is the exact same ride (with inferior theming, storytelling, and execution in general). I just don't see Disney doing that close a clone in the same resort.

I hate Dinosaur. But I would definitely ride an Indy themed ride if they were to finally put one in at WDW.