Impressed with DVC over limited price increase

[LuvtheGoof]

But if I skip vacation - I don't owe. If I don't like vacation 'A' offerings, I'm free to chose vacation 'B'. The point was you are helpless to tell Disney 'I do not like what you are offering, and will speak with my wallet'. You can defer slightly, but you are not free to change course and show Disney you aren't happy with the offering.

We bought into DVC several years ago with the understanding that Disney is where we wanted to spend our vacation dollar. We are not "helpless", since we knew that prices were going to go up every year. Just a fact of business life.

We are both Disney nuts, and are more than willing to pay the increased costs for tickets, food, etc. Since the AP prices for us only went up $6 this year, I consider that a win! We go multiple times per year, and the AP (with TIW) is really worth it. Of course, this discount can go away at any time, but even if it does, we'll still go. The extra $149 is still a lot less for us than the multi-day park tickets.

If the prices have gone up too much for you, then I applaud your decision to vacation elsewhere. It just doesn't work for us.

 

[Annielkd]

You mean the what.. 3 other places DVC really embraces?

Come back in 5 years and tell me where you really vacationed...

yup... will do. Seeing as I can't fly (I can't physically, my son can't either) I'm already limited as to where I can go. Disney is right at the limit as to where I would drive. So exactly where do you think someone would vacation instead????
Boy, you truely are in a bad mood... why don't you start a thread like that? This one was SUPPOSED to be positive.

 

[Annielkd]

Again. I am still missing your point. When we bought in to DVC we knew that ticket prices, food and airfare would go up. That has not changed. In the ticket price increase thread someone did the math and the average price increase over the last 5 years was around 5%. Not sure how you figured out the price doubled. If your only point is that you can walk and not go to Disney while we can't since we are locked in then i am happy for you that you somehow feel you got one one over on the DVC owners. I will be enjoying my vacations while you sit at home counting the money you saved.

To me this just sounds like sour grapes. DVC members got a benefit that others didn't so you feel the need to point out your perceived negatives to DVC. There are plenty of "is DVC worth it"threads where all these arguments were made. Again, someone complimented Disney for doing something good and you find a negative spin. I guess some people never see the glass as half full.

I think you hit it RIGHT on the head!

 

[Annielkd]

I also forgot to mention... if I didn't want to go, I could easily rent out my point to someone. It's not a locked in for life situation. OH wait... I forgot, I'm going to be completely paid off in a few years.... and I've been paying less than I would already for vacations. Hummm... I think I made a bad investment because I'll be able to go to Disney for just maintenence fees then and other people will be paying thousands of dollars. I'm so GLAD you pointed out all it's faults!

 

[WWWD]

Yes but 'everyone' (excluding DVC) are not obligated to to keep paying those prices and are free to take their business elsewhere. DVC can only defer buying temporarily without the whole thing making no sense.



You really want to argue DVC is worth it over a period of time without theme park admission?



But if I skip vacation - I don't owe. If I don't like vacation 'A' offerings, I'm free to chose vacation 'B'. The point was you are helpless to tell Disney 'I do not like what you are offering, and will speak with my wallet'. You can defer slightly, but you are not free to change course and show Disney you aren't happy with the offering.

Sounds like someone is jealous of DVC members. What are you really trying to prove with your "argument" against DVC? Does it make you feel good about yourself to bash other people's personal decisions?

DVC membership is not a the earth is round versus flat sort of argument - there is no one right answer for all. You really think your negative opinions are going to change anyone's opinion on DVC?

I am glad that Disney increased the value of this benefit to DVC members. Hopefully, Disney will continue to increase benefits to DVC - businesses always need to cater to their repeat customers. DVC members are not "trapped," they are valued regulars.

 

[Annielkd]

nicely said

 

[flynnibus]

My god... you people are so defensive.

The point was.. as stated in my original post... the rate that tickets increase is not really a discussion point in DVC purchasing.. only locking in hotel costs.

Yes, all tickets increase, but non-DVC members are free to walk away at any time from the ticket increases.. DVC people have limited options to do so.

 

[flynnibus]

Again. I am still missing your point. When we bought in to DVC we knew that ticket prices, food and airfare would go up. That has not changed. In the ticket price increase thread someone did the math and the average price increase over the last 5 years was around 5%.

5% of which ticket? Simple fact to put it in perspective. In 2005, when disney switched their ticket model, DVC Annual pass was 295.00. Now it's $425. That's nearly a 50% increase. The increase on the FL pass was probably even greater (don't have the FL price from 2005).

DVC doesn't ensure affordable vacations - only locked rate hotels at Disney.

the recent hikes just highlighted that for me... so when you say 'thank god prices only went up $6..' it rang to me 'this time.. what about the trajectory' and what do you do as a member when it hits that breaking point for you? How do you send a message to Disney about your happiness with the prices?

If you don't go.. and you rent... Disney still gets ticket sales. No one wants to let their points goto waste.

 

[GoofGoof]

My god... you people are so defensive.

The point was.. as stated in my original post... the rate that tickets increase is not really a discussion point in DVC purchasing.. only locking in hotel costs.

Yes, all tickets increase, but non-DVC members are free to walk away at any time from the ticket increases.. DVC people have limited options to do so.

Funny how you know what I discussed when I was deciding to buy. Maybe the sales presentation doesn't talk about ticket increases, but do you assume that everyone who bought in just listened to a sales pitch and bought without considering anything else?

I go back to my original point. The DVC discount just went up from $100 to $150 which is a good thing for us. Buying into DVC was a personal choice and it is not right for everyone. I am not telling you that you made a mistake by not buying so why try to tell us that we made one by buying in.

 

[GoofGoof]

5% of which ticket? Simple fact to put it in perspective. In 2005, when disney switched their ticket model, DVC Annual pass was 295.00. Now it's $425. That's nearly a 50% increase. The increase on the FL pass was probably even greater (don't have the FL price from 2005).

DVC doesn't ensure affordable vacations - only locked rate hotels at Disney.

the recent hikes just highlighted that for me... so when you say 'thank god prices only went up $6..' it rang to me 'this time.. what about the trajectory' and what do you do as a member when it hits that breaking point for you? How do you send a message to Disney about your happiness with the prices?

If you don't go.. and you rent... Disney still gets ticket sales. No one wants to let their points goto waste.

I have no interest in sending a message to Disney. I just want to enjoy my vacations. I think that is probably why we are not understanding each other.

 

[GoofGoof]

5% of which ticket? Simple fact to put it in perspective. In 2005, when disney switched their ticket model, DVC Annual pass was 295.00. Now it's $425. That's nearly a 50% increase. The increase on the FL pass was probably even greater (don't have the FL price from 2005).

DVC doesn't ensure affordable vacations - only locked rate hotels at Disney.

the recent hikes just highlighted that for me... so when you say 'thank god prices only went up $6..' it rang to me 'this time.. what about the trajectory' and what do you do as a member when it hits that breaking point for you? How do you send a message to Disney about your happiness with the prices?

If you don't go.. and you rent... Disney still gets ticket sales. No one wants to let their points goto waste.

I think they were talking about a 7 day pass when they said 5% per year on average over the last 5 years. It was in the thread on price increases. Still you are talking about a close to 50% increase from 2005 which is over 7 years so that averages to about 7% per year. That is a big difference than the price doubling in the last 5 years.

 

[flynnibus]

I have no interest in sending a message to Disney. I just want to enjoy my vacations. I think that is probably why we are not understanding each other.

When I have a problem in a hotel... I send a message by not returning to that hotel. That doesn't mean I never stay in hotels again... The biggest leverage a customer has is with their spending.

Funny how you know what I discussed when I was deciding to buy. Maybe the sales presentation doesn't talk about ticket increases, but do you assume that everyone who bought in just listened to a sales pitch and bought without considering anything else?

I was speaking about the discussions here... but get defensive.

Buying into DVC was a personal choice and it is not right for everyone. I am not telling you that you made a mistake by not buying so why try to tell us that we made one by buying in.

I'm not trying to do that at all.. stop being so freakin defensive. It makes you look like your NEED to defend your choice to yourself.

 

[Annielkd]

You actually sound quite hostile. This thread was supposed to be about positive thoughts.... if that's something you can't handle. I feel sorry for you. You have a right to gripe if you wish... but, this thread is about limited increase... can we KEEP it to that?

 

[GoofGoof]

When I have a problem in a hotel... I send a message by not returning to that hotel. That doesn't mean I never stay in hotels again... The biggest leverage a customer has is with their spending.



I was speaking about the discussions here... but get defensive.



I'm not trying to do that at all.. stop being so freakin defensive. It makes you look like your NEED to defend your choice to yourself.

This seems to be a pretty common pattern. Say something negative and anyone who disagrees is either being defensive or is a Disney apologist. I personally have not had a bad experience with going to WDW so I don't need to send them a message. Obviously you have so feel free to send them a message by not buying DVC or not going back. It is really your choice.

I don't think anyone is getting anything out of this discussion anymore. We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[tjkraz]

5% of which ticket? Simple fact to put it in perspective. In 2005, when disney switched their ticket model, DVC Annual pass was 295.00. Now it's $425. That's nearly a 50% increase.

Assuming your prices are accurate (I have not confirmed), it's a compounding average increase of 6.29% per year. Pretty close to "about 5%" IMO.

I made an educated decision to buy into DVC 9 years ago and have undoubtedly paid less that someone who paid cash for similar stays. If the day comes when park tickets are too expensive, tastes change, the quality is no longer acceptable, I will sell. It isn't an irrevocable 50 year commitment.

 

[goodanu]

Assuming your prices are accurate (I have not confirmed), it's a compounding average increase of 6.29% per year. Pretty close to "about 5%" IMO.

I made an educated decision to buy into DVC 9 years ago and have undoubtedly paid less that someone who paid cash for similar stays. If the day comes when park tickets are too expensive, tastes change, the quality is no longer acceptable, I will sell. It isn't an irrevocable 50 year commitment.

As stated before, you also have the option of not going into the parks every trip. There is plenty to do around the area where you can use your park $$ and still have some cash left over. Vero an HHI are also options. I started a thread on DVC without the parks and I truly feel once the kids don't want to go, that my wife and I will have no problem doing that.

 

[Annielkd]

I loved Vero Beach... and I'm looking forward to going Hilton Head. Also, when we bought DVC we had been spending an average of 3000.00 per year on our vacations there. I said I would purchase something if it could get me where I wanted for the same price I would pay for 10 years. So we got something less then we would have paid for those ten years we comitted to. After the 10 years, it's just gravy. I think people know what they are getting when they purchase DVC... I'm pretty happy with what I got.

 

[GoofGoof]

I loved Vero Beach... and I'm looking forward to going Hilton Head. Also, when we bought DVC we had been spending an average of 3000.00 per year on our vacations there. I said I would purchase something if it could get me where I wanted for the same price I would pay for 10 years. So we got something less then we would have paid for those ten years we comitted to. After the 10 years, it's just gravy. I think people know what they are getting when they purchase DVC... I'm pretty happy with what I got.

Well said. I think it is really tough to think about 50 year blocks of time. If you break it down into smaller increments it is easier to wrap your mind around.

 

[kapeman]

The biggest thing for me was the fact that they made ALL APs the same price, no discount for children's tickets.

 

[puntagordabob]

I had renewed my AP before the increase so I have not looked into this... but are you saying that currently the prices for the AP are cheaper for DVC members than it is for Florida residents?