ChrisFL
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I'm pretty sure the Imagination ride uses wheels under the track which you could relate to the old Disneyland Peoplemover, but I don't believe Imagination uses any kind of magnetic propulsion like the TTA has
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Imagination ride questions (requesting history lesson on closure))
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I'm pretty sure the Imagination ride uses wheels under the track which you could relate to the old Disneyland Peoplemover, but I don't believe Imagination uses any kind of magnetic propulsion like the TTA has
THEMEPARKPIONEER
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I know it loads like an omnimover where all of them are connected and you can just get on but then they divide. I did notice that on the people mover it takes off pretty fast. Journey into your imagination divided for the intro but they split pretty far didn't they. From the gecko if they has the same ride, one intro stage and the system they used today there wouldn't be any trouble. I always thought they should of made Journey into your Imagination like Splash Mountain. That would be a fun ride. Especially if the drop was at the end of the literature scene.
adv.bluedude
Active Member
What? Im sorry but I dont quite understand. You started out ok but then started rambling. Can you possibly repost this so i can actually understand what youre talking about?
Sumshine 904
Member
Uhm... :veryconfu
As for it being a Splash Mountain-esque attraction, no. I don't think it should ever be a thrill ride of sorts. It should be/have been a classic ride everyone can enjoy. I never personally rode on the original, but I've seen enough videos and miscellaneous site dedications to know that what is there now is absolute garbage catering to only the smaller children, if that (although I thought it was lame to begin with, of course). Most adults and teenagers grind their teeth after exiting.
I think of the Imagination pavilion as something the younger guests and the average family can enjoy (the word "imagination" makes me think of childlike innocence to begin with). Putting in a Splash Mountain clone would divide the families and intimidate the younger kids.
Not to mention, anyone who wants to ride Splash Mountain can just as easily visit the Magic Kingdom. There is also Test Track, Mission:SPACE, and Soarin' to suffice a thrill seeker's needs. I don't see the need for one. :shrug:
THEMEPARKPIONEER
Well-Known Member
If they had the system they have today with the original ride and only one intro stage they would never have had any issues. Looking back the People mover system stops at their destination unlike the Journey into your Imagination system that keeps on moving while trying to connect and divide.
Sumshine 904
Member
But... the People Mover doesn't stop? :shrug:
THEMEPARKPIONEER
Well-Known Member
Really I thought it did at the Epcot Center scene and the Buzz Lightyear ride scene, lets just leave it as it moves travels faster and slows down for short periods of time
. Im not the only one who knows how the systems work I lets let someone else explain it if needed LOL.
Rob562
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The WEDway Peoplemover system never stops (barring any E-stop functions). But it's a very "dumb" ride system. The speed and spacing of the ride vehciles is strictly based on the design of the ride track, and is not in any way actively controlled.
This gets a bit beyond the original topic of this thead, but...
The way the TTA operates is that each linear induction motor along the track is always operating at the same "speed", meaning that it's always turning on and off at the same rate. When the LIMs are spaced an equal distance apart, and all are operating at the same "speed", the trains that roll through that section of track will maintain that same speed.
In sections of track where they need to speed up or slow down a train, the LIMs are spaced closer together. These LIMs are set at the speed that they want the train to be moving at when it gets to the far side.
So as you leave the TTA loading station, there's a stretch of closely-grouped LIMs. These are all operating at the faster speed that you accellerate to. So as the train rolls across them, it's accellerated to the faster speed.
The same happens when you go to slow down. You roll across closely-spaced LIMs operating at a slower speed, which forces the train to slow down to match the speed they're operating at. The LIMs can then go back to evenly-spaced LIMs at the slower speed, until it needs to speed back up again.
The trains naturally separate as they leave the station, because those first accelleration LIMs would force them to separate. If the TTA ever goes into E-stop mode, when it starts back up again the separation is thrown out of whack for a short time. But by the time one complete circuit is made by all the trains, the system will have fixed itself, but not by any action by the ride system. That's just the end-result of the ride system.
Getting back to the original topic, this whole thing is different from how the motors operated on the original Imagination. While the TTA LIMs were always operating at the same rate, and the trains simply are forced to match the speed, the motors on JII actually changed speed depending on what the requirements were for the ride system.
So when a train of 4 cars left the load platform, the ride system HAD to make sure that it was in the exact position and speed required to meet up with the opening in the carousel as it rotated (because the carousel was always rotating at a constant speed).
The closest analogy I've been able to come up with is a rotating door to a building. Imagine that it's a 4-section door, each colored red, yellow, green and blue. The door is powered, and always rotating at a constant speed. Now you have four people, each wearing shirts with those colors, in the correct order, walking in a line along the sidewalk toward the door. What does each person need to do to ensure that they enter the section of the rotating door that matches their shirt color, while not touching the door at all or messing up the spacing of the people behind them?
Now imagine designing a ride system that does the exact same thing with rolling ride vehicles...
-Rob
This gets a bit beyond the original topic of this thead, but...
The way the TTA operates is that each linear induction motor along the track is always operating at the same "speed", meaning that it's always turning on and off at the same rate. When the LIMs are spaced an equal distance apart, and all are operating at the same "speed", the trains that roll through that section of track will maintain that same speed.
In sections of track where they need to speed up or slow down a train, the LIMs are spaced closer together. These LIMs are set at the speed that they want the train to be moving at when it gets to the far side.
So as you leave the TTA loading station, there's a stretch of closely-grouped LIMs. These are all operating at the faster speed that you accellerate to. So as the train rolls across them, it's accellerated to the faster speed.
The same happens when you go to slow down. You roll across closely-spaced LIMs operating at a slower speed, which forces the train to slow down to match the speed they're operating at. The LIMs can then go back to evenly-spaced LIMs at the slower speed, until it needs to speed back up again.
The trains naturally separate as they leave the station, because those first accelleration LIMs would force them to separate. If the TTA ever goes into E-stop mode, when it starts back up again the separation is thrown out of whack for a short time. But by the time one complete circuit is made by all the trains, the system will have fixed itself, but not by any action by the ride system. That's just the end-result of the ride system.
Getting back to the original topic, this whole thing is different from how the motors operated on the original Imagination. While the TTA LIMs were always operating at the same rate, and the trains simply are forced to match the speed, the motors on JII actually changed speed depending on what the requirements were for the ride system.
So when a train of 4 cars left the load platform, the ride system HAD to make sure that it was in the exact position and speed required to meet up with the opening in the carousel as it rotated (because the carousel was always rotating at a constant speed).
The closest analogy I've been able to come up with is a rotating door to a building. Imagine that it's a 4-section door, each colored red, yellow, green and blue. The door is powered, and always rotating at a constant speed. Now you have four people, each wearing shirts with those colors, in the correct order, walking in a line along the sidewalk toward the door. What does each person need to do to ensure that they enter the section of the rotating door that matches their shirt color, while not touching the door at all or messing up the spacing of the people behind them?
Now imagine designing a ride system that does the exact same thing with rolling ride vehicles...
-Rob
HornsofaSteer
Active Member
To provide some closure on what happened to parts of the original ride, according to figmentsimagination.com Disney sold a Dream Mobile complete with a Figment animatronic still inside. Though it is really unfortunate, I wish I was in possession of it. Pictures can be seen here... http://www.figmentsimagination.com/slideshow.html
I also know that Disney sold at least parts of several film reels from the ride. I know this because I own three small sections. I have a cut from the monster and ghost story scene where the hands were projected on the wall and I also have a cut of Figment climbing a mountain and Figment riding a wooden horse. I have some scans of those if anyone wants to see.
Though it is really unfortunate, I wish I was in possession of it. Pictures can be seen here... http://www.figmentsimagination.com/slideshow.htmlI also know that Disney sold at least parts of several film reels from the ride. I know this because I own three small sections. I have a cut from the monster and ghost story scene where the hands were projected on the wall and I also have a cut of Figment climbing a mountain and Figment riding a wooden horse. I have some scans of those if anyone wants to see.
^ the props went everywhere. Some AAs were resued. Some were canabilised. At least 2 Dreamships were kept for ornamentation. A lot of the real 1982 show hardware can be seen in the present day queue and in the computer room show scene. The `turntable` is still under the floor but too damaged to ever work again.
Most of the visual effects were too complex to be used anywhere else sadly. I`m friends with the lead visual effects designers (ex-WED now) from both the ride and the Imageworks and the detail and sheer inginuity of some of the effects are sadly lost forever.
Most of the visual effects were too complex to be used anywhere else sadly. I`m friends with the lead visual effects designers (ex-WED now) from both the ride and the Imageworks and the detail and sheer inginuity of some of the effects are sadly lost forever.
THEMEPARKPIONEER
Well-Known Member
I am surprised Dreamfinder doesn't make small a background appearance on his dream ship in the finale scene.
Wow, I watched the first video of the original ride and it all came back to me! Journey into Imagination was my favorite attraction and Epcot my favorite park in the '80s and '90s. I loved the Rainbow Tunnel and the interactive exhibits. Thanks so much for creating that tribute and sharing it with us. So so sad that Disney let such a wonderful, stimulating attraction be "dumbed down" to what it it now.
I`m glad the videos were of help. Slightly on topic, here is the 3rd I did:
http://www.martinsvids.net/?p=554
Browse my site and you`ll also find the full Magic Journeys and the original Captain EO :wave:
http://www.martinsvids.net/?p=554
Browse my site and you`ll also find the full Magic Journeys and the original Captain EO :wave:
Silver Figment
Active Member
To provide some closure on what happened to parts of the original ride, according to figmentsimagination.com Disney sold a Dream Mobile complete with a Figment animatronic still inside.
I also know that Disney sold at least parts of several film reels from the ride. I know this because I own three small sections. I have a cut from the monster and ghost story scene where the hands were projected on the wall and I also have a cut of Figment climbing a mountain and Figment riding a wooden horse. I have some scans of those if anyone wants to see.
Very lucky. I'd kill to have a piece of memorobilia from the original.
HornsofaSteer
Active Member
I would check on e-bay. You never know what will come up there.
That is where my film came from and I believe that is where the Dream Finder's Machine was sold as well.
THEMEPARKPIONEER
Well-Known Member
I came across a Horizons car for sale there has to be something from the original Journey into your Imagination ride within that long list of unwanted merchandise. I am waiting for the Spaceship Earth city or the small replica that used to be at the ending to go up for sale but lets not get off track LOL.