ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Cameron's a consultant as such he has no clout, He dances to Disney's tune since they are funding the flopfest which will be the avatar sequels.
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Cameron's a consultant as such he has no clout, He dances to Disney's tune since they are funding the flopfest which will be the avatar sequels.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Go visit the Star Wars Festival and THEN tell me how much you like Launch Bay... Launch Bay does not even move the needle
L.C. Clench
Well-Known Member
I'll admit to being skeptical of what we'll get out of Disney on this but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out "piloting the Millennium Falcon" doesn't involve a Dumbo spinner and some VR goggles.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Isn't Fox financing the sequels?
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/fox-closes-400-million-co-financing-pact-1118065325/
http://movieweb.com/avatar-2-what-we-know/
Or is this just an #alternativefact?
Also:
You mean Star Wars Celebration.
CJR
Well-Known Member
Why do you believe that? You do realize that Walt Disney World could be much stronger right now? Just because they should have and could have invested properly when Iger became CEO does not mean expansions like SWL and Pandora couldn't/wouldn't have still happened. They just wouldn't have been the tent poles that they now have to be.
Also, adding four attractions, only two of which are e-tickets, will hardly make DHS a real full day park. I mean, you can spend a full day at the Holyland Experience, but it still doesn't hold a candle to MK or Disney's west coast parks.
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PB Watermelon
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James Cameron dances to no one's tune but his own. That guy is the last person you'll see pushed around by anybody.
RobbinsDad
Well-Known Member
Me right now.
MrPromey
Well-Known Member
Have to agree with you, here. When you have fan made life-sized replicas of TIE Fighters being shipped in and reassembled from outside of the country along with accurate recreations of the inside set of the Millennium Falcon, and more working interacting droids than you can shake a stick at, among other things - all for a temporary (single weekend) event where most of the people involved are doing it as a hobby and the best that Disney can muster is some light saber models in glass cases and a home console video game center, you kinda gotta wonder.
It's sad when you see people in there asking where the new Star Wars rides are and Cast are having to explain that what they're looking for hasn't been built yet* and that they can ride Star Tours on the other side of the park. Given how heavily they've promoted this new land and how heavily they've promoted Star Wars in the park, in general, it's kind of embarrassing what is on offer for the foreseeable future... and the frustrating part is it doesn't have to be. They could improve Launch Bay and make it something better over time but they don't seem to feel they need to.
*Antidotally, I've witnessed this twice over the last year or so. Maybe I was just in the right place at the right time to see it but I have to imagine it's a common occurrence given how much Disney has been milking the coming
jakeman
Well-Known Member
I'm not defending the Launch Bay, but this where the bar is at for it? The Launch Bay should be equal to or surpass a yearly Star Wars convention that is attended by over 20,000 people in two days? It's that really the expectation?
That seems a little unrealistic.
The Launch Bay should be better, but I think the comparison to the annual Star Wars Celebration is a bit unfair. It's kind of like saying that One Man's Dream should be a fully functional D23 AT ALL TIMES.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
He who pays the piper calls the tune... Sorry that's reality
jakeman
Well-Known Member
#alternativefacts
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Yes the Launch Bay SHOULD exceed an annual weekend event, the problem is it does not even BEGIN to approach the quality seen at the Star Wars Festival, What makes it even sadder is that Disney has access to everything stowed at Skywalker Ranch and yet the Star Wars festival blows Launch Bay away with displays of used in the movies props and incredible displays.
One would think the OWNER of the IP could do a bit better than a temporary show which is up for 2 days a year
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Again, it's Star Wars Celebration. Your consistent use of a misnomer belies a lack of familiarity with the event you are drawing a comparison to.
The Star Wars Celebration is a global Star Wars convention that is held annually. Launch Bay is filler space. It should be better, but it's a fallacy to believe it should be as good or better than something that caters exclusively to Star Wars fans on a global scale.
PB Watermelon
Well-Known Member
WDW was and is very strong already, now it's about be stronger still. Theme park fans were clamoring for a "Potter Swatter", Disney didn't panic and start building things just to build them, now everything is falling into place. Sorry, I'm not on board with the Kevin Yees of the world who look at the parks and perpetually see negatives, "declining by degrees", etc. I've never confused cynicism with wisdom, negativity with acumen. Balanced criticism and praise is preferable to "what have you done for me lately?" or Dudley Dursley complaining he needs more presents than last year. I'm excited and optimistic for everything happening at the parks - all the parks, including the west coast. Your mileage may vary. Keep moving forward.
^^This^^
The difference in quality and experience is further proof that the owner of the IP cares only about the profits that can be squeezed out of the product, whereas those running the fan event care only about the product itself.
PB Watermelon
Well-Known Member
And at this point, James Cameron has made so much money for Fox, who do you think is paying who? Fox will do anything he asks them to do. That's reality.
doctornick
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Why would they want to get rid of Marvel? The comic books themselves are a relatively small investment -- I don't think they make much money, but they don't really lose it either. But the IP are extremely valuable and having an ongoing comic book division producing new characters and keeping legacy characters in the limelight is a key part of them. And the superhero genre is a perfect companion to the other "fantasy" IPs that Disney is strong in (i.e the girl-centric princess line).
jakeman
Well-Known Member
The convention is organized by Reed Exhibition in cooperation with Lucasfilm, not the fans.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
Never understood this criticism. What's the difference between licensing an IP/adapting an IP in the public domain versus buying the IP outright and using it? Either way, the key thing is putting out a quality product, which Disney has been doing in spades with their "bought" IPs. Just owning Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, etc. is meaningless if you don't use that history to produce ongoing compelling works of entertainment -- and, whether people like it or not, Disney under Iger has done a fantastic job of using established IPs to create new captivating films and other products. That exactly what an entertainment company should be doing.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
No Fox wants a RETURN on their investment, Avatar was such a big hit because of the groundbreaking 3D visuals, In 2D it's worse than being tied to a chair and being forced to watch Captain Planet reruns... Sort of like Star Trek 'Save The Whales Edition' utterly unwatchable.