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Iger and Chapek Livid With Lucasfilm
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SteveTerranova
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I recently realized that while I love the idea of Star Wars, I actually only like three SW movies (Star Wars, Empire, and Rogue One) 
The Mandolorian is awesome, though!
The Mandolorian is awesome, though!
flynnibus
Premium Member
And how many of those became great Jedi with no training, no tutelage, no apprenticeship and still were strong enough to take on what were the greatest Sith in the galaxy in just a few months?
No one is saying that Jedi can only come from blue blood -- they are saying how does one skip all the established concepts of what it takes to become a Jedi and harness your abilities if you are just a nobody? Anakin/luke broke ghe mold because of who they were.... rey does it why?
PizzaPlanet
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure Lucasfilm retconned that since it implied Rey and Kylo were related...
I certainly agree with you, and I'm not justifying Rey being a nobody. I'm just pointing out that a force user being a nobody isn't some brilliant new idea that wan't thought of until the last jedi.
easyrowrdw
Well-Known Member
My thought was that the force chose her. I'm not deep into Star Wars so maybe there's a reason why that's not possible, but I thought it was a cool idea.
flynnibus
Premium Member
and i was pointing out that was never been the issue
even in the OT we are told it's in everyone... in the prequels we are introduced to the idea of measuring how strong it is in a person... the prequels strengthened the image that jedi are from all over... all races. But the message yoda first taught in epV is strengthened further in the prequels showing how involved jedi training really was... and just how abnormal anakin and luke really are.
the the sequels come and just trash all of that by having a nobody do basically what luke did... on her own in a few months.
FigmentFan82
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Does not imply they're related, Palpatine used the force, that has nothing to do with his personal biology mixing with Anakin's mother's.
SpoiledBlueMilk
Well-Known Member
Yeah, but still lazy. Look at it in total and Luke's on screen hero's journey doesn't have much challenge to it. Emotional weight? Yes, but challenge, no. Anakin was the chosen one and he still had training at the temple and his first foray into space combat was successful in spite of him - spinning - that's a good trick.
It Depends...
UNCgolf
Well-Known Member
This was one thing I didn't get -- I've seen people talk about how Rian Johnson subverted Star Wars by making Jedi able to come from nowhere.
That was always part of Star Wars. Especially in the EU, where tons of Jedi came from nowhere with no special connections, but more importantly it was a thing in the prequel trilogy too. They never explicitly said so, but it was pretty obvious considering they went around testing people to see if they had the ability to use the Force. It's not like all the Jedi were bred from special bloodlines or anything; they had to find people to train them in the prequels.
Screamface
Well-Known Member
There seems to be a lot of talking points about TLJ that get repeated, but don't actually make sense. This is one of them.
The reason people were annoyed at the Rey being a nobody is that while her past was not explained in The Force Awakens, the film explicitly set up that there was a mystery about her. This worked hand in hand with the world of Star Wars because she should not have been able to do what she was doing.
I'll go through a few.
Luke's buddy with Obi-Wan vibes who has a map to where he is lives near Rey.
It's awfully convenient the Falcon is parked, gassed up and ready for Rey to escape.
Han seems to know who Rey is, or suspects she is someone.
Maz suspects she's someone.
We get a cut off scene where Han seems to tell Maz who she is.
The lightsabre calling to Rey. Skywalker memories is a set up for her. It strongly hints she's Luke's daughter. Remember it has Skywalker memories which the light sabre was not present for.
Kylo reaction to hearing there was a girl, suggests he suspects Rey is someone he knows about.
When Leia first meets Rey, she hugs her and reacts as if she's someone she knows.
Jedi's need training. Rey has the force and training awaken in her. Suggesting she's had training.
Rey is waiting for her family, set up for who they are, why she was left and something went wrong.
The Resistance sends Rey to Luke. This makes ZERO sense unless it's in regards to who she is.
The film ends on a cliff hanger of Rey in front of Luke with two years of promise and expectation to see what happens next.
Of course, fans were not happy when the cliff hanger is played for a joke, and the answer to all the set up is, "Rey is nobody, she can just do what she does." It broke Star Wars. It didn't respect what was set up, it didn't respect the character of Luke, it didn't respect the world of Star Wars and it didn't respect the audience investment in the new trilogy. In regards to Luke, it rejected the entire reason people wanted sequels and it did so on purpose and knowingly.
People only got annoyed at Rey after The Last Jedi crapped all over Star Wars, the investment and set up in the trilogy. There may have been the odd incel somewhere complaining, but most of the fan base was super thrilled to find out about Rey and see what happened in The Last Jedi. People like me who saw the film before most got to watch the positive goodwill turn into confusion and anger as the film opened up across the world.
Rey being a nobody simply doesn't work after the set up in The Force Awakens. We also know for a fact that her being a nobody was not the intention of the writers of The Force Awakens. It shows with the disconnect between the films.
Ultimately the problem was JJ and Kasdan were creating a new version of Star Wars. Setting up the feel and a story for a new trilogy. While they were still figuring that out, Rian was off reinventing his vision for Star Wars which was different. He had no interest in telling the story that was being set up. He just took the pieces he was given, threw out some ideas for his vision. Did another film that rehashed previous plots, relied on "subverting" where you naturally expect these tropes and rehashed plots to go at a few points. Ends the film with no larger creative vision and very little set up. He essentually reverted the plot of the sequels to a very thin Star Wars premise, as opposed to continuing the story and setting up a story to continue.
The guy(Colin) who is writing the next film ends up departing because Lucasfilm will not listen to his suggestions for The Last Jedi to better set up a plot for the next film. Which resulted in there being no story at the end of the second film of the trilogy. Just a very thin default premise of Star Wars.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Coulda did that....didn’t bother to think it out.
Didn’t tell that concept well...in fact...he and his manboy predecessor like deleted parts of the screenplay or something?
The whole story was incoherent...and that’s “kind” of why it falls so flat.
My problem with defense of the Disney movies is this: it was overall incoherent and wastes so much time on diversion characters or unnecessary action sequences attempting to be plot devices.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Many fans of both Disney and Star Wars are in denial about this key point.
Plenty of other threads in the sea...
I don’t particularly like the dining plan...do I go on every thread it’s mentioned and put “dining plan blows...yawn!” Each time?
Keystrokes are a precious commodity to waste.
JoeCamel
Well-Known Member
I don't get why people have to state their views (same ones over and over) in so many threads. I say it once and I don't have to say it again. No one cares what I say in any case. Just a whisper on the internet...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Good lord...
Because we’re here wasting time!! That’s the point.
I think the science of booking a room at port Orleans getting on the bus at B terminal, and getting fastpasses has been decoded.
You know better than that...you know that there are tens of thousands of posts daily that boil down to the same thing: “I’m 45/35/25 and I can’t believe I found Disney! It’s a special, happy place and I found it! It’s all MINE!!
”We just let that go...don’t have to police it or display the absurdity of it.
It’s a repetitive exercise, but it keeps people amused nonetheless.
Captain Neo
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Both Lucasfilm and Charles Soule later went on to explain that what Vader was experiencing in that place were his fears and suspicions and concerns not his actual origins.
durangojim
Well-Known Member
just kidding. Kind of.
Disney Maddux
Well-Known Member
I like Kathleen Kennedy and I LOVE the sequels, but especially after episode one of the Mandalorian documentary, we need to get Dave Filoni as the new leader of Lucasfilm ASAP.
trainplane3
Well-Known Member
Well, that final arc of the Clone Wars is my favorite piece of new Star Wars content with only ESB beating it...
Now THAT was a Star Wars.
I'll go back a bit on what I first said. Should Filoni be in charge? Maybe not. Should he be given more projects and freedom like he's had with the Clone Wars and Rebels? Yes.
Now THAT was a Star Wars.
I'll go back a bit on what I first said. Should Filoni be in charge? Maybe not. Should he be given more projects and freedom like he's had with the Clone Wars and Rebels? Yes.
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