If you're banned for life, how does Disney keep track and enforce the ban?

[thomas998]

I seriously doubt they actually enforce the ban, I've know too many people that were given "life time bans" from places that will end up back within months and in one case even got a job where they were banned. Not saying you wouldn't have to wait a while, but I seriously doubt they would do anything other than have you name on a list that wouldn't be allowed to buy APs or things that would clearly be stored in their computer. Given they only take a few points on your finger and are trying to make sure that someone's finger is close to the original scanned finger I would expect their system is limited in the actual number of different prints it has on file and would not be surprised if numerous people had the same coded print on file, but the number is just so large that the odds of you using someone else's ticket and having the same print are very small.... Given the FBI's own internal report said their system gave false matches 10% of the time I can't see Disney having a better system. As for photographs, I'm sure they have them of people that are banned, probably even keep them, but I don't think they are going to install the equipment in the parks to actually do facial recognition of every guest in the park it would be very expensive, have limited value and once the public found out (which they would) would be a PR nightmare when some privacy groups got word.

In the end I expect they ban the person, tell them they will be charged with trespassing if they show up again, and don't do much beyond that expecting the paranoia and fear to keep the person from returning.

 

[Polydweller]

In the hotel business we also ban people for many reasons. There are methods to look for people and some have been mentioned here. But what banning enables for us is to charge the person with criminal trespass if they show up on our property again. That's instant arrest, a criminal record, and possible fine/ jail time. You can take immediate action without any investigation they just have to show up. They are told this when they are banned so no excuses. It's a more powerful deterrent than you might expect because courts don't look favourably on people caught a second time.

 

[mf1972]

they send the beagle boys to your home as a gentle reminder

 

[JIMINYCR]

He did just get banned from Universal however just a month or two ago over his off limits back stage footage of the old nickelodeon studio

Yeah he got banned because the security guards knew what he looked like and were on the look out for him. Disney security would be aware of people who are banned and likely to show up, and would be scanning the crowds for those individuals also.

 

[NormC]

The print reader takes an actual picture of the print, then the picture is passed to software that maps the print checking some number of pixels in the print to determine if the fingerprint is touching the reader (binary 1), or not touching the reader (binary 0). A hash is built based on that formula and stored, and then picture of the print is discarded.

No it doesn't. It is a biometric scanner not a fingerprint scanner.

Edited to remove vascular as that term is now used to describe a more modern technology that can also map blood vessels in the fingertips. Disney's is older technology that does not fully map those features. It just looks for points of them using near IR LED light and sensors. It still does not use fingerprints.

 

[Phonedave]

No it doesn't.

Then what does it do?

It's been confirmed that it is a one way hash. It scans your finger, and then based on certain paramaters of that scan it comes up with a number - say 4567 and stores that number (not the finger print) If sombody was to hack in, and see that my finger translates to 4567, they have no way to recreate my fingerprint from that number - there are an infinite number of possible fingerprints that could map to 4567 (that is how a one way hash works).

 

[_caleb]

Then what does it do?

It's been confirmed that it is a one way hash. It scans your finger, and then based on certain paramaters of that scan it comes up with a number - say 4567 and stores that number (not the finger print) If sombody was to hack in, and see that my finger translates to 4567, they have no way to recreate my fingerprint from that number - there are an infinite number of possible fingerprints that could map to 4567 (that is how a one way hash works).

It measures "finger geometry" rather than fingerprint.

 

[NormC]

Then what does it do?

It's been confirmed that it is a one way hash. It scans your finger, and then based on certain paramaters of that scan it comes up with a number - say 4567 and stores that number (not the finger print) If sombody was to hack in, and see that my finger translates to 4567, they have no way to recreate my fingerprint from that number - there are an infinite number of possible fingerprints that could map to 4567 (that is how a one way hash works).

It does create a hash, that part is correct, but it uses biometric measurement not finger print measurement.

 

[RustySpork]

No it doesn't. It is a vascular biometric scanner.

Sorry, nope.

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/my-disney-experience/my-magic-plus-privacy/

 

[NormC]

You just confirmed what I said. Biometric not fingerprint. Thanks.

 

[roj2323]

Sorry, nope.

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https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/my-disney-experience/my-magic-plus-privacy/

Having fun trolling?

Its biometrics just as the quote you posted says it is. I worked as a park greeter so I know a little more about the system than you would.

Now do us all a favor and knock it off.

 

[RustySpork]

Having fun trolling?

Its biometrics just as the quote you posted says it is. I worked as a park greeter so I know a little more about the system than you would.

Now do us all a favor and knock it off.

You're right, I'm sorry I only work in tech and often with biometric readers, what the heck do I know! A park greeter definitely knows tons more about technology than someone who actually uses the technology in practice, My. Bad. If we're going to start slinging insults, maybe you should try paying attention so you get a higher paying job since I've been talking about biometric fingerprint imaging. The other person said vascular biometric reader. One type of biometric reader images the fingerprint itself the other type of biometric reader images blood vessels in the finger. Newsflash, they're both forms of biometrics.

 

[ford91exploder]

The print reader takes an actual picture of the print, then the picture is passed to software that maps the print checking some number of pixels in the print to determine if the fingerprint is touching the reader (binary 1), or not touching the reader (binary 0). A hash is built based on that formula and stored, and then picture of the print is discarded.

It's probably NOT discarded before some three letter agency gets a copy, Welcome to TIA and the panopticon. Just like the TSA imaging scanners did not save the scans, Oops they DID save the scans and that was discovered after some pervy TSA drone started posting the images on the web.

 

[tampabrad]

When I worked at central reservations 20 years ago...if we entered a problem guest name, it would flash red and we would have to transfer the call to our guest relations and they would verify that it was the correct person etc and they were not allowed to book a room or buy tickets.

 

[larryz]

When I worked at central reservations 20 years ago...if we entered a problem guest name, it would flash red and we would have to transfer the call to our guest relations and they would verify that it was the correct person etc and they were not allowed to book a room or buy tickets.

That's good to know. Do the names of easy marks return guests flash green?

 

[The_Jobu]

That's good to know. Do the names of easy marks return guests flash green?

If we're using wrestling vernacular and pixie dusters are marks, does that mean we're all smarks?

 

[elhefe4]

It measures "finger geometry" rather than fingerprint.

Having fun trolling?

Its biometrics just as the quote you posted says it is. I worked as a park greeter so I know a little more about the system than you would.

Now do us all a favor and knock it off.

Did you read the article? It's from 2006 and talks about the old way of scanning AP holders (putting the index and ring fingers into a scanner in a "peace sign" and measuring various points and distances between the two fingers and creating a hash from that). The new method of finger scanning at the entrance is a completely different process.

 

[RustySpork]

Did you read the article? It's from 2006 and talks about the old way of scanning AP holders (putting the index and ring fingers into a scanner in a "peace sign" and measuring various points and distances between the two fingers and creating a hash from that). The new method of finger scanning at the entrance is a completely different process.

Yeah, that's the method was in play before even the first set of print readers at the parks replaced them which was also replaced by the implementation of the RFID / print reader combination. The new readers look like simple print imaging devices, you can tell by the implementation. Vascular readers have two basic designs, neither of which Disney appears to be using. The first design has a battery of infrared LEDs above the finger pointing directly downwards which means there's a cover over the finger as it's inserted. The second design uses an offset infrared LED that bounces off of the veins into the ccd. The latter method is problematic, and not really prevalent as it has problems with things like penetrating shiny skin to capture the picture of the veins. Vascular readers are generally quite a bit more expensive than basic print capture devices as well.

The problem with simple print readers is that they are also plagued with accuracy problems, but they're much cheaper to implement and maintain.

 

[Dead2009]

I believe they inject you with a capsule that emits a low level radio transmission that can be tracked once you cross over the metal loop embedded under the concrete at the base of the fingerprint scanners.

They also charge you an arm and a leg for the capsule as well.

 

[RustySpork]

They also charge you an arm and a leg for the capsule as well.

Arm and leg capsule injection dessert party!