If WDW needs capacity-eaters... what would you want to see?

Wilbret

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I'll lead with just adding shows. Could be random shows thruout the park, i.e. dance parties, singing, performers, whatever. Just something to stop people in their tracks. If they are watching someone juggling chainsaws, they aren't in queue.

If there are empty theaters, they need to be running. Those things can churn thousands of guests per hour.

Moving loading should be priority, like Haunted Mansion or Rip Ride Rockit.

Bring back those old hours! I know parties have taken their place, but in the "old days," the days were long enough you had shifts of people instead of folks really trying to make a full day of it. Park closes at 1am? We'll go at 4pm. etc.

Add dang single rider lines to every ride, I hate seeing empty seats.

Off the cuff, just random thoughts... let's hear yours?
 

drizgirl

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I'll lead with just adding shows. Could be random shows thruout the park, i.e. dance parties, singing, performers, whatever. Just something to stop people in their tracks. If they are watching someone juggling chainsaws, they aren't in queue.

If there are empty theaters, they need to be running. Those things can churn thousands of guests per hour.

Moving loading should be priority, like Haunted Mansion or Rip Ride Rockit.

Bring back those old hours! I know parties have taken their place, but in the "old days," the days were long enough you had shifts of people instead of folks really trying to make a full day of it. Park closes at 1am? We'll go at 4pm. etc.

Add dang single rider lines to every ride, I hate seeing empty seats.

Off the cuff, just random thoughts... let's hear yours?
Except Disney wants less paid performers, not more. And they want to pay the CMs less hours, not more.

As long as you accept those 2 premises, anything is possible.

If they could accomplish those things with computers, robots or lasers, they'd be all for it.
 

Grimley1968

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The perfect solution in the past was to skip the paid performers and go with audio-animatronic performers. That way massive shows could be run cheaply and with no labor disputes, 24/7 if they wanted, and only having to pay a CM or two to push buttons to start them and usher people in and out.

But it's been a long time since Hall of Presidents and the American Adventure show in EPCOT attracted large numbers of people like in the 80's and 90's. Last time I saw Hall of Presidents in late 2020, in a still crowded MK despite capacity restrictions, there were about 15 other people in there, while the popular rides were still crowded. American Adventure was similar, though the capacity restrictions seemed to be tighter in EPCOT than MK (or the crowd was just smaller).

The Tiki Room is often at capacity, but it's capacity is nowhere near the other 2 attractions and not much of a people eater.

With AI becoming more prevalent in everyday life, I just don't think most people are as thrilled with clunky 1960's AA figures for entertainment, but @drizgirl is right: Disney does not want to hire more paid performers, or even CMs. The result will probably be fewer shows and parades in the future.

For the same reason they want to pay CMs less, I doubt Disney will ever bring back the old hours, except for paid events.

I'm all about omnimover-style loading wherever possible, which is why I love the Skyliner compared to all other forms of WDW transportation. Unfortunately, the more efficient that is, the more the crowding inside the served parks worsens. Modern younger crowds, however, seem to want more thrilling stuff than Haunted Mansion, etc. It's not feasible to have high thrills combined with omnimover loading.

Agreed on single rider lines. That seems like a win-win every time I see one.

Disney's "solution" (and it's not much of one IMO) seems to have been to raise prices on everything, or charge for what was previously included (like Fastpass and, for a while, even resort parking). But even though many middle class people are now priced out of a weeklong WDW vacation, there still seem to be enough upper income people willing to pay the extra costs and keep it crowded.

I don't think Disney places a high priority on guest satisfaction like they used to. If they did, we'd see better capacity throughout WDW. Until poor guest satisfaction impacts the bottom line, I expect that won't improve. Unfortunately, many of the current WDW vacationers don't remember just how much more efficient WDW used to be, and are fine with the current reality.

Sorry to be a downer. I actually agree with all OP's ways to improve crowd flow, but if it can't be shown to directly increase Disney's profits by bringing those measures back, I doubt they will happen.
 

Wilbret

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Except Disney wants less paid performers, not more. And they want to pay the CMs less hours, not more.

As long as you accept those 2 premises, anything is possible.

If they could accomplish those things with computers, robots or lasers, they'd be all for it.
So what's your suggestion? If it's entertainment, it's entertainment. Taking away Wizards of MK was a dud, simple entertainment like that works. Animatronics or videos that pop up in windows and cause people to stop and watch? Sure. Lasers? Count me in.
 
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Andrew25

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Some of you will want to ban from this site after reading this.

Animal Kingdom - the park is fine, enough dining capacity, decent amount of daytime entertainment... but falters in the quantity of attractions to offer. A not too complicated solution is a high capacity boat ride somewhere between Asia and Africa themed to any IP, Lion King, Jungle Book, etc.

Hollywood Studios - An omnimover version of the Great Movie Ride and replacing Star Tours with a different IP might work. Animation Courtyard is ripe for a true Toon Town-esque Studio backlot area with a variety of different attractions

Epcot - Has enough capacity, just needs to renovate attractions that underutilize their capacity with either IPs or better replacements. Put Coco into Gran Fiesta, Upgrade Figment, something relevant inside of Pixar Short Film Festival, replace Mission: Space with a family attraction for those unable to ride Test Track/GOTG.

Magic Kingdom - honestly had a decent amount of capacity attraction-wise... but let's face it, a Country Bear Jamboree replacement of another IP would draw in much more guests. Same with, and I hate saying this, Hall of Presidents and Carousel of Progress. These are obviously great historic attractions... but don't lie to yourselves that an IP stage show here would be better received by 85% of guests and help spread out some crowds.

Also, Peter Pan's Flight needs the Dumbo treatment of finding a new location and creating dueling layouts.
 

esskay

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I'd go ruthless on Adventureland. County Bear would go, as would the treehouse. I'd expand the land into the space treehouse would leave behind, and add a new people eater attraction, probably a peoplemover/doombuggy type ride that takes you through the rainforest, maybe throw some IP in there (Tarzan for example, or maybe something a little more modern like Up). The constant moving cars allow for a pretty significant hourly capacity so that solves part of MK's issue.

Over at AK I'd wipe out the whole of dinoland, including dinosaur and start again. A new land, 3-5 fresh attractions, I dont care what theming they go with so long as it isn't crummy run down carpark carnival vibes again.
 

Eric Graham

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I'd like to see some more paid performers in the park. Juggling or magic or whatever. They could easily get some very talented people from The Renaissance Festival that tours around the country. I saw some actrobatic performers on House Hunters (my wife watches those shows a lot) from Disney and they seemed very nice.
 

Jrb1979

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Add a B&M coaster to each park. They are people eaters.
I would put a low to the ground B&M invert at AK and a wing coaster over the entrance to DHS.
 

Wilbret

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At SeaWorld, during Festivals, they have so many shows. I mean, when Vanilla Ice is on the scene... the crowd follows him.
Imagine if every park had a stadium i.e. like rivers of light seating at AK, Fantasmic at HS... 5,000 people are THERE, and you are riding 7DMT without a care in the world.
 

paulrienzi

New Member
I'll lead with just adding shows. Could be random shows thruout the park, i.e. dance parties, singing, performers, whatever. Just something to stop people in their tracks. If they are watching someone juggling chainsaws, they aren't in queue.

If there are empty theaters, they need to be running. Those things can churn thousands of guests per hour.

Moving loading should be priority, like Haunted Mansion or Rip Ride Rockit.

Bring back those old hours! I know parties have taken their place, but in the "old days," the days were long enough you had shifts of people instead of folks really trying to make a full day of it. Park closes at 1am? We'll go at 4pm. etc.

Add dang single rider lines to every ride, I hate seeing empty seats.

Off the cuff, just random thoughts... let's hear yours?
I would definitely go back to the old hours. Closing at midnight 1am worked great. Also bring back a night time parade at two times. Those were great times to hit alot of rides.
 

JMcMahonEsq

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Some of you will want to ban from this site after reading this.

Animal Kingdom - the park is fine, enough dining capacity, decent amount of daytime entertainment... but falters in the quantity of attractions to offer. A not too complicated solution is a high capacity boat ride somewhere between Asia and Africa themed to any IP, Lion King, Jungle Book, etc.

Hollywood Studios - An omnimover version of the Great Movie Ride and replacing Star Tours with a different IP might work. Animation Courtyard is ripe for a true Toon Town-esque Studio backlot area with a variety of different attractions

Epcot - Has enough capacity, just needs to renovate attractions that underutilize their capacity with either IPs or better replacements. Put Coco into Gran Fiesta, Upgrade Figment, something relevant inside of Pixar Short Film Festival, replace Mission: Space with a family attraction for those unable to ride Test Track/GOTG.

Magic Kingdom - honestly had a decent amount of capacity attraction-wise... but let's face it, a Country Bear Jamboree replacement of another IP would draw in much more guests. Same with, and I hate saying this, Hall of Presidents and Carousel of Progress. These are obviously great historic attractions... but don't lie to yourselves that an IP stage show here would be better received by 85% of guests and help spread out some crowds.

Also, Peter Pan's Flight needs the Dumbo treatment of finding a new location and creating dueling layouts.
So So much here to agree with.

Some additional thoughts/spin.

AK- Has turned into maybe my favorite park. A great mix of shows/attractions/walk at your own pace features/and pop up performers. I think its pretty universally agreed that it could use at least one high capacity dark water type ride. I also would love to see a way to make Raffiki's Planet Watch more accessible. We must have gone to AK at least 5 times before ever making it over to that part of the park with the kids, and we now kick ourselves. From the goats to being able to watch procedures/minor surgeries taking place live, its such a hidden gem of the park. The train ride out there isn't the most ideal, and you truly are isolated from the rest of the park, so coordinating ride times/food reservations, ect can be a challenge and its not a spur of the moment lets just walk over there kind of place. But if your could find a way to make it slightly more accessible, and maybe add a concession place, i think it would help significantly with congestion in AK.

HS - I remember going to MGM studios the second week it opened as a wee lad. I loved the back lot tour, the great movie ride, being able to see "inside" the movie making experience. I think the initial concept of HS suffers now from just how accessible movie making is. If you have a new iphone now adays you can make some pretty high quality movies. People are doing motion picture editing from their home laptops. The process to a degree has been demystified. I think this also hurts movie clip type rides. Unless it is heavily set based, like the CA universal ride, just moving from screen to screen seeing pieced together features of past movies really doesn't do alot for people anymore. You can get that on youtube now adays. As such the park has i think out of necessity had to transition from more movie/Experience , to ride/show based, like the other parks. I sort of like what I could see is the trend of a spoke and wheel type approach to HS, you have the main old hollywood center of the park, and then IP related mini-parks off of that, like GE, TS, ect.

Epcott. Agreed here. I also think, and you have a problem with here with hours/workers, that Epcott could provide an opportunity for some later more adult themed hours. With the ability to drink around the world, and all of food/wine type festival offerings. I wonder if there would be a value in keeping that section of the park open later, to say 1-2AM and try to feature more of a night life based entertainment. This would probably be build more around shows than rides, but this might draw out the type crowds that would rather explore the park later, without the crowds and kids.

MK - I agree. And i think in general at MK you have a nostalgia/capacity issue here. On a personal level I would hate to see the tree house, or Carousel/HoP go. Those were features of the initial park. Hell I have vivid memories as a very young kid watching Swiss family Robinson on a Disney Sunday night, and then a couple years later getting to see it at the park. You can probable throw in Small world here too. But those rides are 50 years old. You have talking animatronics at certain grocery stores around me that are on par with or better than anything in Small World. At some point a transition is going to need to happen to keep the park interesting to younger/newer generations both from and IP and technology standpoint. I will be sad when it happens but I think it does need to be done.
 

JIMINYCR

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Nothing else can absorb crowds like a filled amphitheater with a show that entertains. Running shows at times when you need to control the masses gives a break to attractions. Then there’s an influx when the shows empty out.
Single rider lines should be a feature on all attractions to help fill in empty spots and move guests through.
 

NickMaio

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I'll lead with just adding shows. Could be random shows thruout the park, i.e. dance parties, singing, performers, whatever. Just something to stop people in their tracks. If they are watching someone juggling chainsaws, they aren't in queue.

If there are empty theaters, they need to be running. Those things can churn thousands of guests per hour.

Moving loading should be priority, like Haunted Mansion or Rip Ride Rockit.

Bring back those old hours! I know parties have taken their place, but in the "old days," the days were long enough you had shifts of people instead of folks really trying to make a full day of it. Park closes at 1am? We'll go at 4pm. etc.

Add dang single rider lines to every ride, I hate seeing empty seats.

Off the cuff, just random thoughts... let's hear yours?
omni-mover rides - - - - dark rides :)
 

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