Huge Rollercoasters?

[bferrara16]

Because big rollercoasters make big vomit and you wouldn't believe how hard it is to get vomit out of the characters costumes.

someone tell that to the creaters of mission:spew, i mean space

 

[Mystic]

The reason is is because Walt wanted to create a park that the whole family could enjoy together. A place with rides that the adults could ride and enjoy with their children instead of sitting off to the side and watching.

 

[CAPTAIN HOOK]

This has probably been asked but why doesnt disney have any huge rollercoaster like islands of adventure or like the six flags do?

People who want Big (bland) Rollercoasters should visit IOA and Six Flags - People who want quality rides, theming and a Magical Experience go to WDW. The two will never combine.

 

[CoffeeJedi]

I have to agree that Disney only has two roller coasters: Primeival Whirl and Goofy's Barnstormer. The rest are all attractions.

what about California Screamin'? (not in WDW, but you said 'Disney' )

 

[Thrawn]

what about California Screamin'? (not in WDW, but you said 'Disney' )

Which is why the thread should have ended when I said they have them, but they are difficult to theme.

 

[RnRJoe6114]

To sum it all up, from what everyone said, it's simple and easy, Disney is in a league of it's own and they don't need those big coasters to keep us coming back(even though it would be nice(just a couple)).

 

[tommyboy12099]

This was our year to go back to Disney but my family wanted to try something different so we went to Cedar Point Ohio (sometimes your outvoted). Dont get me wrong it was very nice and they do have some amazing coasters but it just didnt have that Disney atmosphere that I prefer. Im glad that Disney doesn't have a monster coaster. It just wouldnt fit in.

 

[PhilosophyMagic]

what about California Screamin'? (not in WDW, but you said 'Disney' )

That's an example of Disney's current state. Years ago, WDI would never have DREAMED of something like that (although I swear I heard that there were plans to put a blatant coaster in Epcot long ago). California Screamin' is an example of the products of such extreme budget cuts, as is the whole "Paradise Pier" section of the park.

However, I do have to give it ot the imagineers for themeing it at as much as possible, since the whole idea behind Paradise Pier is that it is THEMED as an old seaside amusement pier, and California Screamin' is in fact THEMED as an old-fashioned wooden coaster!

 

[Madison]

If California Screamin' is as bad as Disney gets, that's pretty amazing.

I can see why people dislike Paradise Pier and Chester and Hester's Dinorama, but I really have no trouble accepting them as Disney-quality entertainment on some level.

That said, I don't actually ride anything except the coasters in each area because I know I can find them and enjoy them elsewhere when there aren't options like Splash Mountain or Indiana Jones Adventure nearby. The atmosphere, however, works very well.

 

[CoffeeJedi]

it does confuse people though, as they wonder around trying to find "the rides".

i guess if you're looking for mammoth steel structures, then "weenies" (or "visual magnets" as the official Disney literature calls them) like concrete mountains and Spanish forts become invisible to you

i once helped some poor guy in adventureland looking for ANYTHING. i started to explain where he was, but got the "deer-in-the-headlights" as a response. i quickly changed my tune to "that is Pirates of the Caribean, right there" (pointing with 2 fingers, natch) and his whole demeanor changed as he happily escorted his two children to the entrance

 

[JKovach]

I can see why people say they wouldn't want to see a huge rollercoaster in Disney World... I was trying to think about it, and just imagine walking in any of the four parks... and seeing the Incredible Hulk from IOA standing out on its own... just towering over the area in which it stands... it would entirely just stand out and look awkward

HOWEVER... being just as big a disney fanatic as the next person on here... I must say, they could use another RnRC, if not one even a little more intense.

Yes, Walt created Disneyland and his idea for WDW with the thought of it as a place for the entire family... however, times have changed since the 1950s when he had this idea. Its like the U.S. constitution and interpretivism vs. noninterpretivism... times have changed since Walt has his idea and you cannot interpret his actual intent in todays world.

So... Universal is growing more and more popular... AND NOT JUST TO TEENS AND YOUNG ADULTS... they have become big with families... not as much as disney, but they have. So, if disney can figure out a strong and solid way to theme an intense and thrilling rollercoaster... they absolutely should. Yes they are entirely original with their ideas, and should stay that way, but you cannot stray away from the fact that... a lot of people LOVE... L O V E, rollercoasters, and want them to get more and more and more intense, they just need to keep up with new things...


Again, it would need to be very well themed because like I said above... having a rollercoaster towering over any of the themeparks (except maybe tomorrowland... but they already have SM...) would like extremely awkward

 

[Epcot82Guy]

wow... off the boards for the morning and miss alot!

Anyway, going back a bit, I should have said WDW. That was my mistake. California Screamin' is a coaster as is Gadget's Go-Coaster and Mulholand Madness.

Going along those lines, I never said I didn't like Dino-Rama. I think it needs more to it, but it works. And, the coasters work in areas like this (and Paradise Pier, although I haven't seen them in person). A big coaster in any other area simply wouldn't work with the exception of possibly Tomorrowland (ala SM's original design), but it would have to be small enough to not be seen anywhere else in the park, and that would defeat the purpose of a large coaster IMHO.

Having said that, I have to be a bit of a Coaster Snob and say that IOA's coasters are NOT big coasters. The only big coaster in Orlando is Kraken, and it's nothing spectacular height, speed, or elements-wise for coasters as a whole (Please don't misinterpret that. It is an OUTSTANDING ride; just not the biggest overall). Being in Orlando, height ordinances are not high, so coasters are not going to be record breaking here. Other than the launched lift, there is very little that stands out about Hulk. And Dueling Dragons as a coaster is pretty terrible IMHO. The queue is heavily themed, but the coaster itself has minor elements and no themeing whatsoever. So, the Orlando market is not ever going to be a coaster market. Therefore, make great attractions that will have longevity outside the speed, elements, or height. Better amusement business, I guess.

 

[JKovach]

And Dueling Dragons as a coaster is pretty terrible IMHO. The queue is heavily themed, but the coaster itself has minor elements and no themeing whatsoever. So, the Orlando market is not ever going to be a coaster market. Therefore, make great attractions that will have longevity outside the speed, elements, or height. Better amusement business, I guess.

Dueling Dragons is one of the best rollercoasters in the area, if not the best. I definitely think its better than Kraken... it is such an incredible idea. It is thrilling, intense, and a whole lot of fun...

And Disney DEFINITELY shouldn't have any "big" rollercoasters at all if you're gonna say big rollercoasters are ones like Kraken, or Kingda Ka...

but, a rollercoaster of size and of same intensity as the Hulk or Dueling Dragons is needed... I think they could use a rollercoaster where your feet dangle, but as my previous post said... it would need to be HEAVILY themed and well hidden... (just not sticking out of thin air)

Rides where you go 450 ft. in the air, or where you lay down... or standup... not needed, but basic thrilling (more thrilling and intense than expedition everest looks... even though it looks great, its no RnRC) rollercoasters...

 

[CrashNet]

I think it depends on how you define "huge" or "big." While the actual size of the rollercoasters that Disney has aren't big, the story and complete THRILL factor each ride contains rockets their excitement and size way up there and beyond the traditional coaster. I mean think about it, which is scarier to you: a huge loop followed by a near hit experience with a twin coaster (a la Dueling Dragons), or being CHASED while going backwards by a huge monster in a dark and cavernous setting (Everest).

I pick the latter. Defina...uh...definitely.

 

[T-i-doubleguher]

Bald Mountain

I think disney should have a coaster at MK themed Bald Mountain. You would be in Bald mountain running from the villians (excuse the sp.) in 3-D (ala Spiderman in IOA) there would also be AA's and very cool lightning as well as a good soundtrack. This would disguise a rollercoaster into a dark ride making it very appealing. I not being a coaster person would love this substitute and could perhaps evove into a villians land. I would love any of your feedback because i would love WDW to do this Attraction!:wave:

 

[JKovach]

I think it depends on how you define "huge" or "big." While the actual size of the rollercoasters that Disney has aren't big, the story and complete THRILL factor each ride contains rockets their excitement and size way up there and beyond the traditional coaster. I mean think about it, which is scarier to you: a huge loop followed by a near hit experience with a twin coaster (a la Dueling Dragons), or being CHASED while going backwards by a huge monster in a dark and cavernous setting (Everest).

I pick the latter. Defina...uh...definitely.

I see your point... very well, however, I on the other hand find it much more terrifying to come down a big drop and all of a sudden be going about 55 mph right at another rollercoaster and getting flip backward just in time... or go at brick walls and literally thinking for that split second (because when you come down a drop and head at a break wall you dont have time nor think to myself "ok and now i am going to spin away from this just in time so there isn't really any point to having this brick wall... :yawn: I wonder what the weather is like in Boston, maybe I'll call my mother") you literally think you're gonna hit the wall...

Whereas... take Dinosaur... the Carna...... Big dinosaur keeps popping out at you and chasing you, and while that is scary the first time... its not like "im gonna die" scary... whereas on Dueling dragons... I must have thrown out 9 or 10 F bombs and just kept swearing because... I mean you're moving at 50-60 mph and heading at objects which if you hit them... YOU WILL DIE... whereas... the Yeti or the dinosaur, the entire time you know is not real... and again, no you may not have time to think "oh yeti its not real" but the entire time you know that you're gonna be getting chased by something not real... whereas like I said on DD... one minute your upside down think "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" and then suddenly "ohhh mYYYYY GOOODDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So trust me, I do see your point... and you are right that there is a difference in how you define thrill... I see it as what is actually there; the sensation of being flipped around, upside down, fearing hitting something, not having time to think "this isn't real" and pure speed... where as what you're made to believe; a yeti chasing you, isn't AS scary... although again I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS RIDE!!! don't get me wrong!!!! and because its disney, I'd rather this than a dueling dragon, but for the next one, I'd rather it be a big steel RC than another wooden one that just speeds around turns...

 

[ogryn]

That's an example of Disney's current state. Years ago, WDI would never have DREAMED of something like that (although I swear I heard that there were plans to put a blatant coaster in Epcot long ago). California Screamin' is an example of the products of such extreme budget cuts, as is the whole "Paradise Pier" section of the park.

However, I do have to give it ot the imagineers for themeing it at as much as possible, since the whole idea behind Paradise Pier is that it is THEMED as an old seaside amusement pier, and California Screamin' is in fact THEMED as an old-fashioned wooden coaster!

I think there was talk of putting a wooden-coaster down on the Boardwalk was there not?

Ideas never die

(...and I'm glad they picked an Intamin steel themed as wooden, as opposed to a proper wooden, but that's just me )

 

[slappy magoo]

Because DIsney fans are a bunch of candy-a$ses. :fork:

Seriously, I'd love to see more coasters interspersed throughout the parks, but I don't NEED them to enjoy WDW.

 

[rob_b]

In the past 3 years I have been to the following amusement parks.

- King Island (8 + coasters)
- Geauga Lake ( 10 coasters)
- Knobels Grove ( 2 coasters)
- Hershey Park ( 10 coasters)
- Cedar Point (16 coasters)

I only went to these parks for one reason ROLLER COASTERS!!!!!

In the past 3 years I have been to WDW 3 times. I have 2 more trips planed in the next 6 months. I visit WDW for the experience not specifically the rides.

The same goes for US and IOA. Personally I find the HULK and Dueling Dragons average coasters. I like IOA and US for the immersive experience not their coasters.

I look else ware for the BIG coasters.

 

[TimeTrip]

I have to agree that Disney only has two roller coasters: Primeival Whirl and Goofy's Barnstormer. The rest are all attractions. They have longevity. I am a HUGE coaster enthusiast. I have ridden some very large metal and wood beasts, but "record breaking" coasters lose their thrill quickly. I think Coasters have their own beauty, but they are a "reality" based attraction. They do not fit into the Disney culture.

Well theres a fresh alternative to the "is this really a roller coaster" debate that exists on roller coaster forums. I was so used to hearing arguments about circuits, lift hills, similarities to freefalls used to reinforce or deflate an argument about something being a roller coaster. :lol: