How badly Leave a Legacy failed!

Horizons78

Grade "A" Funny...
He's allowed to have an opinion and it is one that is shared by many people. No offence to anyone who has a tile there, but to a large extent his logic is far more rational that that of those saying "I have a picture of me, my relative, etc. on it so it is good and must stay!" Many of us just don't think it looks good and serves no purpose other than to make money. Now that it's closed because it stopped making money it serves no purpose other than for those who gave Disney money to put their pictures on it. Why not then move it to an area where these people can see it but not have it detract from the entrance for other guests?

My apologies, but you have completely missed my point.

If you read my post carefully I have made no argument that LAL must remain where it is currently located.

You implied that I wish to silence Merf's opinion. Nothing could be further from the truth. This board is a home to every persons opinion.

My opinion, in this case, is simply that the implied personal insults aimed towards those who purchased a LAL tile should stop immediately.

I am not commenting on the placement, artistic value, or any other aspect of LAL.
 
I can understand this, but the thing is that his entire post was based around why it appears to have been a financial failure. So he runs through a bunch of statistics and then concludes with that statement, leading me to think he meant that the business venture was a failure, not necessarily implying anything about the pictures or people who appear on it.

Complete = having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full.

He meant what he said.......
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
Maybe it's just me, but in response to the above posts I just think people are being a little too sensitive. When people criticise LAL I don't think they're criticising everyone on it. Similarly, when they say it's a complete failure I don't think that they're somehow saying everyone on it is one too, just that it's a failed concept.
 

rileyspaw

New Member
Our family has three of them and we always enjoy going and looking at them again and again. I agree with many of the other posters here that the location and appearance of the mounting stones could have been much better!:shrug:
 

polarboi

Member
I'm wondering how much more some of the people on the boards want removed? The wand, the tiles, the "tombstones"...what's next? How about we just gut all the parks and start over and have votes on what goes in? No one ever really seems happy here with anything that is going on.

LOL :lol: It's true! I used to have a link in my signature to a thread from an Apple rumor site where people were whining and complaining about a new product Apple had introduced a number of years ago. They were predicting this new product was doomed to failure and was a terrible idea. It was called an "iPod." :D

I do think that some people complain an awful lot considering that they're supposed to be big fans of this place. Me, I much prefer to praise Disney. I think the parks are awesome, I'm excited about the recent changes and new attractions, and I think things are moving in absolutely the right direction.

I didn't care much about the wand either way, but I understood the objections to it, but honestly, the look of the LaL stones has always bothered me, since the day they went up. It's very rare for me to disagree with a decision of Disney's, and this is one I did happen to disagree with. I love the idea, and I'm so glad you and your son will have that tile in the parks (what a meaningful memory for him!) but I do wish that they would redesign and relocate the stones now that they have a final count of the tiles. All of you who purchased tiles should have those tiles remain in a conspicuous location, and you deserve for them to look as attractive as possible.


So naming a whole resort area after a dead man is somehow different?:shrug:

I think it's just about the feel of it. When I look at the Partners statue in the MK hub, I don't think of it as a somber memorial to a dead man; I think of it as an uplifting and magical way of honoring someone great. The same thing with "One Man's Dream" - I walk out of there thinking about what an impact he made on the world and how full of possibility the world is. By contrast, if you visit someplace like the Vietnam Veteran Memorial Wall, it feels somber. Looking at all those names just weighs on my heart.

To me, LaL in its current incarnation feels more like the Vietnam Memorial than it does like the tributes to Walt in the parks. Even if everyone on there were alive, the overall design of the stones automatically conjures up images of memorials and graveyards. I've thought so from the first time I saw them. That's great for the Haunted Mansion, but the idea of LaL is to be cheerful and inspiring like Walt's statue.

It totally could accomplish that, but I think a redesign is necessary for it to feel more like a contribution to the park (a legacy, if you will) and less like a war memorial.

Like, what if they took the images and arranged them on new structures to form larger images? Like giant Mickey Mouse ears or something? That could instantly transform something somber-looking into something that all guests could enjoy looking at and those with tiles could take pride in being part of.

-p.b. :cool:
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
Our family has three of them and we always enjoy going and looking at them again and again. I agree with many of the other posters here that the location and appearance of the mounting stones could have been much better!:shrug:

That's the thing. Would it really bother you if they moved them to a landscaped area between one of the Future World or World Showcase pavillions? I don't think anyone's saying that would be a bad compromise.
 

KevinPage

Well-Known Member
Our family has three of them and we always enjoy going and looking at them again and again. I agree with many of the other posters here that the location and appearance of the mounting stones could have been much better!:shrug:

Just as much are there are plenty of people who lie the idea of entering Epcot and seeing their family/friends/relative picture as they embark on their day. Then again, I have a picture on it but would have no problem with them moving it to another area of the park.

There is no right/wrong answer on this one. :D :D :D
 

jmuboy

Well-Known Member
"Just as much are there are plenty of people who lie the idea of entering Epcot and seeing their family/friends/relative picture as they embark on their day. Then again, I have a picture on it but would have no problem with them moving it to another area of the park."

Exactly, for example my tastes make me seriously dislike these new "games" in the Soarin' queue line. I much preferred the educational and beautiful large screen pictures. Granted the pictures were less thrilling but they much better tired the ride into the Land Pavilion and provided education for the guests, an original aspect of EPCOT. But this a fight for another thread.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
Hardly a failure at all...merely subjective "conjencture" on your part. I would say it has a great deal of meaning to many people and they view it as something special.
 

KevinPage

Well-Known Member
"Just as much are there are plenty of people who lie the idea of entering Epcot and seeing their family/friends/relative picture as they embark on their day. Then again, I have a picture on it but would have no problem with them moving it to another area of the park."

Exactly, for example my tastes make me seriously dislike these new "games" in the Soarin' queue line. I much preferred the educational and beautiful large screen pictures. Granted the pictures were less thrilling but they much better tired the ride into the Land Pavilion and provided education for the guests, an original aspect of EPCOT. But this a fight for another thread.

Pardon the slight thread drift. But are you saying they are removing the pictures on the right side of the queue since they are installing these games on the left side? I honestly have no recollection on what the original left side of the queue had. :shrug:
 

jmuboy

Well-Known Member
Pardon the continued slight thread drift.

Yes - the ecosystem pictures have all been converted to large screens where "Nintendo Wii" style games now play out. Guests waiting in the stand by queue can participate. There is nothing installed on the left hand side of the queue (other than the projector equipment for the screens).
 

kstella

Member
I did tiles on one of our first semi-annual trips with my parents, my kids and my brother. It was the last trip there with my brother as he was tragically taken from us last fall. On my trip in December, one of the first things I did was buy a tile in his memeory. It was a special Christmas presents for my parents who were still reeling from the death of their son. When his step-daughter and her family visited DW for the first time in May, one of the first things she did was find my brother's tile to show her children who miss their grandpa. I hope Disney re-thinks this because these tiles are very meaningful to some very dedicated Disney fans. No, the design is not very attractive, but just getting rid of the whole thing just doesn't seem right. Those bricks with names on them as you walk into MK aren't going anywhere, so how is it fair to those of us who purchased tiles for them to be going away. They are offering to have your tile etched into a piece of granite for purchase, but that wasn't the point in the first place. It was called Leave a Legacy, not Leave a For the Time Being.
 

mousermerf

Account Suspended
Original Poster
Idea:

What if they used them as big metallic pavers in the shape of the original Epcot logo? They could put them where the big logo is in the ground behind the fountain. Even a big plaque in the middle describing what they are.
 

TestTrack

Active Member
Idea:

What if they used them as big metallic pavers in the shape of the original Epcot logo? They could put them where the big logo is in the ground behind the fountain. Even a big plaque in the middle describing what they are.

I like this idea. It gets them less obtrusive, while keeping them easy to see.

I am not sure if people want everyone walking all over their faces lol! But Disney might have a tougher time keeping them clean of gum and such.

I think they could also do something with them to incorporate them into the first fountain at the parks entrance. It's just so boring since they changed it.
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
Where I think this is most frustrating is because with so many of these things sparking major debates (Soarin's Queue, LAL, Nemo, etc.), there would have been a very easy way to "have your cake and eat it, too". It seems like the design asthetics are meant to entirely change the feeling of an area instead of just enhancing it (i.e. keep what worked, changed what didn't... dare I say it, "progress"). Because the company really would have been presented with an opportunity to please everyone moreso, I have a greater level of frustration with the decisions. But, having said that, it also means that the fix should be easier, too.
 

CrashNet

Well-Known Member
Idea:

What if they used them as big metallic pavers in the shape of the original Epcot logo? They could put them where the big logo is in the ground behind the fountain. Even a big plaque in the middle describing what they are.
Good idea. I'm sure everyone would cheer to have their loved ones figuratively walked all over.
 

mousermerf

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Original Poster
Bleh, people are just being touchy and stubborn then. It'd be pretty and unintrusive. It's not meant to be a memorial, so you can't disrespect the dead if they're not supposed to be immortalized "in memory" in the first place.
 

mousermerf

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Original Poster
Not to mention if we made them into benches or heck - even ride vehicles, then people would complain they're being sat upon.

Well, news flash, at the moment people are walking around going "Gosh, these things are ugly" and Disney is letting the poor tiles fade away in the sun.

Kids climb all over them, birds poo on them, and I use them as a tripod for taking nighttime photos of SSE. I think getting walked on is the least of the worries.
 

jmuboy

Well-Known Member
I think the tiles should be consolidated and relocated to another smaller area in FW. Not tucked away, but not in your face at the front gate either. I do agree they should not (and probably could not) be removed all togeher. People paid to LAL and Disney should honor that in some way.

I wonder if it is too early to campaign to get the plexiglass logo sculpture above the old water fountain in front of SSE. That fountain is kinda bland without the sculpture.
 

djramone

New Member
Bleh, people are just being touchy and stubborn then. It'd be pretty and unintrusive. It's not meant to be a memorial, so you can't disrespect the dead if they're not supposed to be immortalized "in memory" in the first place.

And yet are not stubborn for refusing to budge on your statement that Leave a Legacy was a complete and total failure? ;)
 

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