How badly Leave a Legacy failed!

[ImaYoyo]

Because it was no longer profitable. Do movies get taken out of the theaters after 12 weeks because they were miserable failures? I do believe they're no longer on the big screen after that length of time because they have
1.) saturated the market
2.) are no longer as profitable

...kind of like leave a legacy. Did well at first but now it's not worth continuing to keep it at the theater...

Well, i do feel they are creatively and aesthetically bankrupt.. but that's not the point.

Being 200,000 behind in sales after 8 years? They gave up and closed it for a reason.

 

[hrcollectibles]

It appears that I am in the minority here but I like the LAL.. My now ex and I bought a tile.. I think its cool to be part of Epcot.... That tile lasted longer than we did...lol

 

[mousermerf]

Yes, but with this project they built it for 750,000 tiles. They intended to sell those - and within the first few years.

Howard the Duck was a complete bomb, but more people saw it then would ever consider getting a Leave a Legacy tile.

 

[Enigma]

I can't see how something that was supposed to sell out within the first few years and is at less then 3/4 full after 8 years is not a failure. Especially considering that many of the tiles were given away for free - literally the entire cast of Epcot was offered a tile on 3 seperate occasions - and they were lumped into packages but still not claimed.

Let me put it this way...Disney wouldn't have shut it down if it was sucessful. It was a failure and Disney has finally admited that.

 

[mousermerf]

Because it was no longer profitable. Do movies get taken out of the theaters after 12 weeks because they were miserable failures? I do believe they're no longer on the big screen after that length of time because they have
1.) saturated the market
2.) are no longer as profitable

...kind of like leave a legacy. Did well at first but now it's not worth continuing to keep it at the theater...

Not to mention merchandise and DVD sales that go along with movies - they couldn't give away enough free tiles.

 

[Tim G]

Let me put it this way...Disney wouldn't have shut it down if it was sucessful. It was a failure and Disney has finally admited that.

Definitley not...

World of Bricks was a big success... and yet They discontinued the program...

So... :lookaroun

 

[mousermerf]

No, they sold all the World bricks they could until they stopped the building project - they dont intend to "walk around the world" anymore."

If they intended not to have an entrance to Epcot anymore the Legacy sales would have similiarly haulted.

 

[ImaYoyo]

Let me put it this way...Disney wouldn't have shut it down if it was sucessful. It was a failure and Disney has finally admited that.

I think I'm going to quit my job. You see, because I'm a movie producer and eight years ago i made a movie. At first, it sold really well, but now eight years later, I sell about 10 or 15 copies a day. I'm a complete failure.

Or wait a minute...

Maybe like all things my returns diminished over time, to the point where NOW it's a good idea to take that first idea off the shelf and come up with a new idea.

hmm.........



Or similarly, I create an attraction.

Lets say...

Tarzan Rocks.

And at first people FLOCK to the show.

But after 3-5 years attendance is really down. So I shut it down and think of a new idea. Because obviously, my show, was a complete failure.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Definitley not...

World of Bricks was a big success... and yet They discontinued the program...

So... :lookaroun

Too many cooks... :zipit:



Regardless, let's remember there is a BIG difference between underperforming and failure. I do not like the look of the stones (perhaps moreso than the wand itself, even), but I will not say the program was a failure. It underperformed to a small to moderate degree, and I would argue that the performance spectulations look grim at best. So... we have a sparkly new mirrored column back.

The question then becomes if removal/change of the stones would have any form of return. Unless Siemens had some condition (unlikely) or if a new design would spark new interest, they are likely going to stay... despite my own view that the latter would be true (and, I myself, may even buy a little tile on a better designed display. :lol: )

 

[cm1988]

The rumor I heard, way back when (no, not from a Transportation H/H) was that LAL would move into a park-like setting near what is now the Nemo pavilion.

We should be sensitive about the many, many reasons people Left A Legacy. I wonder how many "Wish Kids" are on those tiles?

With all respect to every one of them, the granite structures could be moved to an area where... perhaps with additional fountains and landscaping... they look better. Spend some of the 11 mil that was made on the tiles and move them to where they will not detract from the main entrance, and are preserved for at least the 20 years promised. It would have to be somewhere adjacent to Future World; a quiet, but not hidden alcove maybe featuring other sculptures or futuristic exhibits, and providing shade and seating. Maybe put in a stage for Magic Music Days.

Legacy Gardens. Legacy Park. Garden of Dreams. whatever, some able Imagineer (not a marketeer) can come up with the concept. Disney can do it.

 

[miles1]

ok so I was off by 99million

Have you considered a career with the Congressional Budget Office?:lol:

 

[aklodge]

Let me put it this way...Disney wouldn't have shut it down if it was sucessful. It was a failure and Disney has finally admited that.

So, did your "inside source" tell you this? :lookaroun

 

[mousermerf]

You can't judge things as though they're the same. If Tarzan Rocks opened to 3/4 audiences then it would have closed sooner.

If a movie doesn't recoup it's production costs, it's a failure.

This Legacy didn't use 1/4 of it's total physical capacity - any attraction that operates that poorly faces removal.

So, which section of the stones is the most useless and gets to be demolished?

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v...9CC00_2pt_Single_Solid_nqwc5d863t4p&encType=1

 

[tecowdw]

They are ugly...please remove them Disney!

I second that motion!!
I'd rather seen the LAL monoliths torn down before the wand. Bring back some green-scape to Epcot's entrance, I say.

 

[jiminy.cricket]

Failure is only in the eye of the biased beholder here. In a business sense, Leave a Legacy was a success.

On another note, I would suggest being thankful it didn't sell out. I can guarantee you they would have built more landmarks for more tiles.

Those are both very interesting points! I believe that failure is simply a subjective concept (So some general advice: it's up to you to decide whether or not you failed; don't rely on someone else's evaluation of your life, but your own). I have no idea how much money was made, though, so in terms of a loss of money I have no idea. And I am glad that more stones did not go up!

Does anyone know why Walk Around the World bricks are not sold anymore? I thought those were pretty popular, and there are so many empty bricks all around the MK area!

 

[askmike1]

What a complete and utter failure.

Oh please, they didn't fill up because Disney stopped pushing (or advertising) them after the Millenium Celebration. Remember those bricks that were supposed to circle the Seven Seas Lagoon? Did they even make 25%?

And yeah, how is this Park News or Rumors? Just another complaint thread for the sake of complaining.

 

[Champion]

Came across this tidbit as a "tip" at disneyworld.com:



Okay.. now let's look at the press information from Legacy's closure...


750,000 - 550,000 = 200,000 unfilled tiles

That's ~26% of the original total. Nearly 8 years and the thing is under 3/4 of the way full.

They would of had to sell them for atleast 2 more years assuming the rate of sale was steady from start to finish. Far more likely then the needed ~256 sales a day, with how unbusy the kiosks had become, they were looking at several years, 4 or maybe 5.

What a complete and utter failure.

73% sell through in 8 years is NOT a failure. How can you argue that it is? They sold 550,000 of them in 8 years. Seventy thousand a year average and thats a failure? Man, I wish I could fail that successfully.

You can't judge things as though they're the same. If Tarzan Rocks opened to 3/4 audiences then it would have closed sooner.

But you can? any attraction that operates that poorly faces removal. So you are judging everything the same.

If a movie doesn't recoup it's production costs, it's a failure.

Are you trying to say LaL didn't make Disney gobs of money? Probably in the neighborhood of $15m?

This Legacy didn't use 1/4 of it's total physical capacity - any attraction that operates that poorly faces removal.

By this standard, any attraction that doesn't fill to capacity (or close to it, I'll give you that) over a set period needs to go. Do you realize the classic attractions you just signed a death warrant for?

So, which section of the stones is the most useless and gets to be demolished?

I'm sure they will condense them once they figure out what they are going to do.


You can say you don't like it all you want. You can moan and complain about 'memorials' or 'tombstones' or whatever you want to say. But to say something that made $15m was a failure is laughable.
The old entrance was better. Yes. Say that. Shout it from the mountains. Say how you hate they cut down the trees. Thats fine too. But you simply cannot argue it as a failure. If you (and the rest of the 'lets return Epcot to 1995' crowd didn't try to make such grandiose statements about everything, you'd have a lot more people that agreed with you.

 

[PlaneJane]

Not a failure in my opinion. What was to be my moms last trip to WDW was not possible for health reasons that she ultimately died from. I have a tribute tile to her at Leave a Legacy. Definately not a failure.

much respect..

 

[Horizons78]

Wow. Ok - I can't believe I'm gonna do this as it is out of character but what the heck. I'm quite angry.

Merf - Im talking to you and others here, but primarily you. I have read your posts and usually enjoyed them. It is obvious that you take a sincere interest in the forum community here. That being said Im getting really sick of the attitude on this subject and for this thread you seem to be the ringleader.

There is an unfortunate act of cowardice being displayed by people hiding behind statements that imply that not only was LAL a failure, but that it was cheesy, commercialized, and that someone would have to be a fool to be involved with it but then not actually calling the participants out as idiots. If you think that we were all fools and suckers for being a part of LAL than go ahead and call us out. Im tired of the implications being thrown about with no responsibilty for the statements being made.

There are pictures on those tiles that carry valuable memories to human beings. Some that you can count on being there are those from Make A Wish families - pictures which may bring back some happy final memories of a child lost. Also there are pictures there from families that may have lost a loved one or may be seperated by thousands of miles on the globe, yet there on that little tile, they are together. And for thousands more perhaps it is nothing more than the happiness of knowing that every day they have a part of the magic without even having to be there. Is there something intrisically wrong with any of these conditions?

Creatively bankrupt Merf?.....Making statements about selling the stones off as countertops and using them as stroller parking areas so no person would see them?.....Please. Stop being a jerk. The world is a nasty enough place without that kind of nonsense being brought here.

If you want to make an argument that financially LAL was a failure then fine. If you want to make an argument that artistically the idea was not executed well then that is fine as well. But the tone that LAL threads keep taking is nothing more than some internet bullies attempting to demonstrate their "Superiority" as they were not "suckered" into being involved with LAL. Im not sure what is required at this point. There are some people here who seem intent on just continuing to needle everyone until we either submit a signed statement of apology or personally go and tear LAL down with pitchforks and torches. You will be receiving neither from me.

To summarize my thoughts: Knock it the heck off.

To those who know me, I apologize for having to state things this way - but a couple of weeks of this crap has pushed my button on the issue.

Maybe Steve will kick me out. I hope not - I have enjoyed being a part of this community but I needed to get that off my chest.

 

[frankd1962]

I took this shot while waiting to get in one morning.

Look at the "legs" of SSE. You can see they paint up on them to make the ascending ones look like they fit in. If I had centered it it might have shown up a bit better. But back then it was a "modern" sculpture where guest could leave a message (on some and there are just messages on a few) to an image that will last as long as they leave these there or hopefully tehy do something with the tiles and still display them.

I was one of the last ones to get a tile done that very last week. I feel that soon I can go back and find my tile and show it off to say "Hey. I'm a part of Disney." And if they're around for a long time, I hope for my grandchildren to visit them to see the tile I took around my 45 birthday.

Even if they get rid of it all, I would love to get the tile back on maybe a plaque saying that from 2007 to ? it was on display at Epcot in front of SSE. I would hang it with pride in my home for all to see. And if I'd pass away maybe as a memorial to me to remind my family of my love of Disney.