Epcot82Guy
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Maybe this is the civil war reference the boy's voice is needed for? :shrug:
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How badly Leave a Legacy failed!
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Maybe this is the civil war reference the boy's voice is needed for? :shrug:
Expo_Seeker40
Well-Known Member
For me its an asthetic.
There used to be three rows of flower beds and planters on each side of the center of the entrance to Epcot.
Leave a Legacy took out the first two planters on each side.
Looking at it now, I wish the design would have been only used for the first planter on each side, and on a scale and design that, to me, seems too large, and obstrusive. :lookaroun
Personally, and no offense, why would I want to spend all that money on a tiny little tile, that uses the worst contrasting and image tools I have ever seen to display a photograph, and why then, except for my own satisfaction would I even want myself to be at Epcot for about 20 years when I won't actually be there in person for 20 years. Just to tell a friend or family to "go look for me", and after 10 seconds of seeing it, they go do whatever they do for the rest of the day? That along with the bricks, seems like such a waste of money to me. As a guest, I feel my money finds better use eleswhere and not getting sucked into this form of commercialized magic.
There used to be three rows of flower beds and planters on each side of the center of the entrance to Epcot.
Leave a Legacy took out the first two planters on each side.
Looking at it now, I wish the design would have been only used for the first planter on each side, and on a scale and design that, to me, seems too large, and obstrusive. :lookaroun
Personally, and no offense, why would I want to spend all that money on a tiny little tile, that uses the worst contrasting and image tools I have ever seen to display a photograph, and why then, except for my own satisfaction would I even want myself to be at Epcot for about 20 years when I won't actually be there in person for 20 years. Just to tell a friend or family to "go look for me", and after 10 seconds of seeing it, they go do whatever they do for the rest of the day? That along with the bricks, seems like such a waste of money to me. As a guest, I feel my money finds better use eleswhere and not getting sucked into this form of commercialized magic.
jiminy.cricket
Well-Known Member
:ROFLOL:
I would love to see a new design for a more of a green/garden theme in front with the LaL tiles incorporated, without it looking like a memorial.
I can't see how something that was supposed to sell out within the first few years and is at less then 3/4 full after 8 years is not a failure. Especially considering that many of the tiles were given away for free - literally the entire cast of Epcot was offered a tile on 3 seperate occasions - and they were lumped into packages but still not claimed.
The sales locations had, what? 8-10 stations? In the last 6 years the most they ever used was 3. Typically only 2 CMs were staffed to the location for an entire day.
The sales locations had, what? 8-10 stations? In the last 6 years the most they ever used was 3. Typically only 2 CMs were staffed to the location for an entire day.
Not to mention - they built a queue line that stretched the lengths of the entry plaza and doubled-back. How soon was it before that was taken down?
RiversideBunny
New Member
The Leave a Legacy tombstones that look so much like a graveyard and block the entrance to EPCOT, and spoil what could be nice landscaping, could be rearranged easily.
Instead of having them in rows which are perpendicular across the entrance way, move them over to the side in a single row along the right side of the entry plaza.
Or re-landscape the area with plants and scatter the legacy stones individually inside the landscaping, along with the plants, like they are visual focal points in the bushes. Many gardeners do that with garden statues and benches and large pots.
It would not cost much at all to eliminate that awful current graveyard/Holocaust memorial look while keeping the stones for those who have memories on them.
Instead of having them in rows which are perpendicular across the entrance way, move them over to the side in a single row along the right side of the entry plaza.
Or re-landscape the area with plants and scatter the legacy stones individually inside the landscaping, along with the plants, like they are visual focal points in the bushes. Many gardeners do that with garden statues and benches and large pots.
It would not cost much at all to eliminate that awful current graveyard/Holocaust memorial look while keeping the stones for those who have memories on them.
They could enclose the stroller storage area - putting it out of sight - and use them as tiles for the exterior wall. Two brids with one stone.
blakesse06
New Member
humm...550,000 x20$=110,000,000$ yep a compleate falure:veryconfu
EPCOT_1138
New Member
I think that they need to make a permanent display for all of the LaL photos somewhere in Innoventions.
WDWFigment
Well-Known Member
First, your math is wrong. It would be $11,000,000.
Second, if they gave so many away (as stated in this thread), they didn't make $20 for each of them.
Third, even if it were $11 million, that's not all that much revenue for Disney in the grand scheme of things, especially considering that there is upkeep associated with LaL. So not all of that money is profit.
ImaYoyo
Active Member
Residual value is something to be considered as well. Not only was money made on selling the tiles, but I'm sure there are some guests that this presents some sort of a sentimental value. Guests who have had their pictures taken and are no longer with us, that might be worth a visit to someone... Guests who received one for free as part of a GKTW package or a Make A Wish package, wedding gift, ect. One thing that we rarely think about is residual value.
Now, is Leave A Legacy pulling thousands of people to Epcot on it's lonesome, probably not. But there is at least a small bit of residual value. Was it a failure? No. So many times we think if something isn't a blockbuster hit that it's a failure.
And consider this. Even if EVERY cast member at EPCOT DID in fact get 3 tiles, that number would be less than 10,000. So instead of selling 550,000, 540,000 were sold. I know that others were given away for free, but we're not speaking of hundreds of thousands of them given away. The free tiles I'm sure represented a very small quantity.
All of that considered, just because we don't like something doesn't mean it wasn't profitable. Did the profits die off in the end? I'm sure they did! But in the big scheme of things, I'm sure it brought a few dollars to Epcot, which, in the end, means we all win.
Now, is Leave A Legacy pulling thousands of people to Epcot on it's lonesome, probably not. But there is at least a small bit of residual value. Was it a failure? No. So many times we think if something isn't a blockbuster hit that it's a failure.
And consider this. Even if EVERY cast member at EPCOT DID in fact get 3 tiles, that number would be less than 10,000. So instead of selling 550,000, 540,000 were sold. I know that others were given away for free, but we're not speaking of hundreds of thousands of them given away. The free tiles I'm sure represented a very small quantity.
All of that considered, just because we don't like something doesn't mean it wasn't profitable. Did the profits die off in the end? I'm sure they did! But in the big scheme of things, I'm sure it brought a few dollars to Epcot, which, in the end, means we all win.
blakesse06
New Member
550,000 squares filled @20$a squareFuzzy math
dont know what all the oprational cost were plust the cost to install and remove but 110 million seems to be the rough estmate of the money it made before subtracting all the outher cost
Seriously, 11mil over 8 years? Plus the cost of the original stones and installation?
The stones are probably worth more if they sold them off to make counter tops.
The stones are probably worth more if they sold them off to make counter tops.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Your abacus is broken:shrug:
Well, i do feel they are creatively and aesthetically bankrupt.. but that's not the point.
Being 200,000 behind in sales after 8 years? They gave up and closed it for a reason.
Being 200,000 behind in sales after 8 years? They gave up and closed it for a reason.
blakesse06
New Member
ok so I was off by 99million 