Animaniac93-98
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I wouldn't really trust the Disney of 2020 to deliver a great second park experience.
I'd prefer they add on to the existing park.
I'd prefer they add on to the existing park.
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Animaniac93-98
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For comparison, DLP has 21 rides and TDL has 25 (like your example, not including walk-throughs, shows, parades etc).
But HKDL does rely more on flat rides than the others thanks to Toy Story.
brihow
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You have a great point here. Better to keep investing in the 1 park and making it the best it can be.
lazyboy97o
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I’d rather they stop messing with the existing park. It’s bad enough it’s now got a weird tower of towers with some sort of rose windowed torture chamber.
Animaniac93-98
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Truly a premium, upcharge experience.
Magic Feather
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The loss of the second gate plot is a huge loss for Disney. Admittedly, I know that its likelihood of getting developed soon was unfortunately low, especially with Shanghai, but that is the plot of land I was most looking forward to seeing a Disney Park on. The way it sat against the water would have allowed for similar sight lines to the likes of Tokyo Disney Se that would have been amazing.
I just hope that Disney is still able to hold onto enough land by the main concourse to make a shopping+dining district.
I just hope that Disney is still able to hold onto enough land by the main concourse to make a shopping+dining district.
Losing the first right to buy doesn't mean they still can't buy it.
Magic Feather
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Correct, however I personally doubt that we’ll see Disney jump at the opportunity to buy it. I do, however, expect to see other land developers jump at the opportunity.
Disneylover152
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here is an interesting article which deails the restrictions on the second park site:
‘The deed of restrictive covenant ensures the fairytale world remains visually distinct from its surroundings and that the landscape is aesthetically compatible with the attraction.
The unused plot cannot be used for residential purposes, commercial facilities, hotels, other entertainment venues or theme parks. Any buildings erected must be less than 20 metres (66 feet) tall and only low-intensity use is permitted.
Despite the limitations, a range of facilities could still be constructed, including a park, an indoor aquarium, an arena, live theatres, government offices, restaurants or an exhibition centre, to name a few.’
What now for empty Disney plot? Government ‘must work with theme park’
The theme park lost its rights to develop the 60-hectare site, but under a deal Disney struck with the government, the use of the plot is hampered by numerous restrictions.www.scmp.com
with the Hong Kong government owning the majority of Hong Kong International theme parks it will be interesting to see if Disney can enforce the restrictions or if the government will alter them to get more out of a valuable site
I wonder if Disney can somehow work around this and buy the land and build a Downtown Disney like area, and use the remaining space to build a park on the remainder as a placeholder for the second gate? Is that even possible?
I'm also confused at the part "The unused plot cannot be used for residential purposes, commercial facilities, hotels, other entertainment venues or theme parks". Does this mean even if Disney bought the property they couldn't build a theme park on it? Also what's stopping Disney from buying the property and not building on it? Is that not allowed? Sorry for the amount of questions, I'm just curious as to what this means for Disney and if they can work around it.
cheezbat
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Still more of a full day park than Hollywood Studios, or Animal Kingdom, or Walt Disney Studios Paris....and maybe even Epcot...
The park already reserve area for Downtown Disney (since 2005).
I think the purpose is to prevent competitors (like universal) build theme parks next to HKDL.
Disneylover152
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This is VERY blue sky and really not possible, but I wonder if Disney could build a mall on that site, and leave a lot of empty room for rides. Then in 10 or 15 years when they're ready to build a new park they could just build the rides and leave the restaurants & shops.
Robbiem
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Reading local news articles its interesting that the HK government says that its not a priority to develop the site and it is considering altering the zoning to allow building you can see from the resort area.
I wonder if this is tactics to get Disney to pay more for the land or if the relationship has deteriorated so much they are just trying ti screw each other.
I wonder if this is tactics to get Disney to pay more for the land or if the relationship has deteriorated so much they are just trying ti screw each other.
616.1314
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I think the plan was to build a Downtown Disney along the Park Promenade (which idk why they didn't make it)
The plot of land was solely reserved for Gate II
HKDLer
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Certainly is. This also paves the way for the controversial East Lantau Metropolis project as they are putting
That said, I still hope they focus on the current resort area first. There’s still a lot of work to do to make this a holiday destination. As mentioned by hkdisky above, there is already more than sufficient land reserved for Downtown Disney (~half the size of Disney Springs) However I doubt the current model of DTD can compete with the shopping malls that are located along the railway line. Something like a Cirque du Soleil show and perhaps more will be more appealing to the locals, otherwise there’s no reason to stay and spend inside the Disney bubble.
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HKDLer
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According to this list the second gate master plan was done during 2014-15. It also includes never realised projects like the Crystal Palace restaurant which was cancelled during Sam Lau’s administration.
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PymParty
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This is one of the best example of the great masterplaning of the Hong Kong Disneyland Resort and the expectations of growth of the resort they had in mind during construction :
At first glance, one might wonder why the end of Penny's bay Highway, when arriving at the first Disney roundabout, gets its two sides separated by consequent gap and not immediately next to each other like every other roads.
The explanation is simple and lies in the planned growth of the resort at the time of of its construction : as we can see on HKDLer's post and the following plan, Penny's Bay highway was planned to be extended into to mountains at the east of the roundabout to join a planned highway at the far east of Lantau Island. Therefore these two lanes would have ended up being slip roads to access the resort from the extended Highway, and have to be separated by a gap in order to fit the continuing Highway in between them !
Today, more than 15 years later, this unusually big roundabout still sits very lonely without any projects in view...
I hope that, at least, if East Lantau Metropolis gets greenlight, they could use and extend the existing transport infrastructures (Penny's Bay Highway and MTR Disneyland Resort Line) in order to get more local traffic passing by the resort !
At first glance, one might wonder why the end of Penny's bay Highway, when arriving at the first Disney roundabout, gets its two sides separated by consequent gap and not immediately next to each other like every other roads.
The explanation is simple and lies in the planned growth of the resort at the time of of its construction : as we can see on HKDLer's post and the following plan, Penny's Bay highway was planned to be extended into to mountains at the east of the roundabout to join a planned highway at the far east of Lantau Island. Therefore these two lanes would have ended up being slip roads to access the resort from the extended Highway, and have to be separated by a gap in order to fit the continuing Highway in between them !
Today, more than 15 years later, this unusually big roundabout still sits very lonely without any projects in view...
I hope that, at least, if East Lantau Metropolis gets greenlight, they could use and extend the existing transport infrastructures (Penny's Bay Highway and MTR Disneyland Resort Line) in order to get more local traffic passing by the resort !
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Robbiem
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You have a similar road like this where I live in London, UK. The M11 motorway was planned to be extended into the city but ends on the outskirts the road separated and ends at what were planned to be sliproads to a never built motorway to a never built airport. Future planning at its finest
lets hope the Lantau planners have better luck!