ACTKK
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Ok. Thanks for your answer. I'll buy it on Amazon, my english is kind of "poor" but I read a few books in this language. Cya!:wave:
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LeonardKinsey
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Your English seems pretty good! Definitely better than my Spanish, and obviously better than my French (e.g., "La Cellier" :hammer
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ACTKK
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:lol::lol::lol:Thanks Man! and again thanks for your answer.:wave:Your English seems pretty good! Definitely better than my Spanish, and obviously better than my French (e.g., "La Cellier" :hammer
Alison1975
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Geez - The Captain deserves a Christmas card from Leonard!:animwink:
ddbowdoin
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a nice cut haha
LeonardKinsey
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Timekeeper
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I find it completely ironic that the same people who criticize those who break Disney policies (such as trespassing) are also very interested in viewing the fruits of the policy-breaker's labor.
For example, there's not a single person on this board who would condemn someone for sneaking backstage and forgo watching the related video or viewing the related photos simply because they disagree with the manner in which the media was acquired.
Even the most hardened Disney disciple would be interested in seeing these things. So, keep up the good work :sohappy:
For example, there's not a single person on this board who would condemn someone for sneaking backstage and forgo watching the related video or viewing the related photos simply because they disagree with the manner in which the media was acquired.
Even the most hardened Disney disciple would be interested in seeing these things. So, keep up the good work :sohappy:
Timekeeper
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It may be time to diversify your "staff," so to speak. For example, we are all familiar with the image of the kind of person who is always able to get out of a speeding ticket. There's an undeniable gender/age bias when it comes to enforcing laws and policies (or getting free drinks at the bar). Ironically, most of the people who are interested in this kind of backstage stuff don't look like the kind of person who usually walks away with a verbal warning, if that.
I bet that if the gentleman CM in ImageWorks came across Adriana Lima walking around, he would be the one apologizing to her for directing her back downstairs. :hammer:
Timekeeper
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I'm not sure what you mean by "ban." I suppose that on one hand you have general trespasses (misdemeanors, finite in duration), and on the other hand you have a private company that could simply decide to deny you admission (indefinitely).
First, having a right to possession and occupancy does not necessarily constitute legal ownership. For example, most people refer to "their house," or "their car," although those items are not "their" property until paid in full. If I am staying at a Disney Resort, and I invite you to "my hotel room," the more accurate description would be "Disney's hotel room." Depending on the nature of the offense, Disney could try to "ban" someone from specific parts of the property (such as the parks), but not "their" specific part of the property and common areas, but this seems rather unlikely given that it's a piecemeal approach to controlling who is - and is not - allowed on property.
I have not read the DVC paperwork, but I am guessing that issues such as this are governed by the contractual documents. And issues not specifically addressed are often reserved for arbitration, etc. A more simple scenario would be a person staying at a Disney hotel and then, for whatever reason, they are trespassed or otherwise "banned" and thus unable to use the remainder of their hotel reservation. Or a ticketholder/passholder with remaining days left on their park admission ticket, etc. Someone's criminal act probably forfeits any monetary value, whereas Disney's "ban" on someone without a stated reason may constitute Disney's breach of the person's contractual license for admission, for which Disney may be liable for a refund. If I purchase a ticket to see the MMC live on tour, and the show is cancelled or the security guard doesn't like my face and refuses me admission, then I get a refund. If, however, I get into a fistfight with someone at the show, and I'm kicked out, I'm not eligible for a refund, even if the show hadn't started yet.
Generally speaking, once a person has a right to possess and occupy a property, then trespass (or a "ban") is not the appropriate remedy to preclude that person's presence on the property. Instead, the property owner must utilize proper eviction procedures before prohibiting the person from accessing "their" property. Under these circumstances, a trespass would be a misuse of criminal procedure, and that behavior (of misusing the law) is greatly disfavored by the courts.
Anyhow, the above is just some general info and not to be construed as legal advice.
Timekeeper
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At the beginning of Chapter 2, Kinsey lists "a ban of alcohol sales in The Magic Kingdom" as one of the "great lengths" that Disney has gone through "to remove any traces of the party lifestyle from the parks," but I wouldn't consider the unavailability of alcoholic beverages in 2 out of 4 parks (alcohol being available at the Hollywood Studios and EPCOT) to necessarily constitute "great lengths."
Both DL & the MK were built at a time when serving alcohol in a family environment was not socially acceptable in the US. There was a very strong demarcation between adult activities, children's activities, and family activities.
I don't think it had anything to do with keeping "partiers" out at all, initially. It was just the way things were at the time, and that tradition has been kept over the years.
When the original parks were built, it was highly unlikely that anyone with a "party lifestyle" would have considered going to one.
I don't think it had anything to do with keeping "partiers" out at all, initially. It was just the way things were at the time, and that tradition has been kept over the years.
When the original parks were built, it was highly unlikely that anyone with a "party lifestyle" would have considered going to one.
emcclay
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This it too awesome! :wave: I bought it on my Nook last night and read half of it. Maybe I will finish the rest during my family's Christmas eve party tonight...
Jerm
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Timekeeper
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More specifically, I meant alcohol service in a dedicated bar. You know, a location set up primarily for the service of alcoholic drinks. I have seen "bars" at both EPCOT and HS, but I haven't seen one at AK. I must have missed it.
Jdlay
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I got the book on my iPad months ago... And love it... One of the few books I go back and re-read. Always good for a laugh.
Thank You for writing it and continuing to share your adventures.
John.
LeonardKinsey
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Yeah, that was a big reason why I wrote the book. People are naturally curious, especially about things they love. I document these "stunts" so other people can satiate their curiousity without the risk of getting busted or injured. The videos work in conjunction with the book to achieve that goal. I certainly don't recommend anyone take the risks I do!
I guess I'm lucky that I just look like a normal guy and don't act like a shady criminal! But yeah, I agree that it wouldn't be a bad idea to start outsourcing some of this stuff. The "I'm getting too old for this ____*t" mantra is coming close to being applicable in my case. But I'm not sure a hot girl would be the solution - really the trick is just blending in and not sticking out. Being super-hot probably wouldn't be the best quality for this sort of subterfuge.
Thanks for the detailed response. Very interesting. And any due-process in court would probably not be good publicity for them. More likely they'd try to either refund the money or work something else out. I'll have to get my hands on a DVC contract to see if any scenario like this is explicitly mentioned.
LeonardKinsey
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Well, I just wrote a big response to everyone, but it said it needed to be approved by a moderator. It seems like only 1/2 of my posts are getting through.
Anyway, hopefully this one goes through. Thanks to everyone who is buying the book. Hope you all enjoy it!
Anyway, hopefully this one goes through. Thanks to everyone who is buying the book. Hope you all enjoy it!